M4 GTS did 07:27:88 (lap time on the Nurburgring)

[Intensemojo]

wow - its the real deal

[DrtyJrze]

That was cool. My palms got sweaty just watching it. Would have pooped myself in some of those sections.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Car looked right at home. Impressive work BMW.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Note that this is a Sport Auto lap, not a full lap.

That's the same lap the Aventador SV did and the Porsche 918.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

Quick lap to be only 2.8 sec slower than the 991 GT3.

It will be interesting to see if independent tests can back up this speed at various tracks.

I would say at least 10 sec. slower.

Based on what I have seen in the past, usually magazine drivers, even the good ones, don't get within 10 sec. of factory drivers who are very familiar with the car and also can tinker on various settings and run in ideal conditions.

[DS_BMW]

Looks like it has serious grip.

[IMG]

Very impressive

[Adcampo]

For comparison, the Alpha Giulia did it in 7:39.

[trey100]

I was just watching the SLS AMG Black Series video (similar time). Look at how much more the steering wheel is jerking in this video:

The M4 looks much more composed.

[nonagon]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

That's the same lap the Aventador SV did and the Porsche 918.

If true, the M4 GTS is in the same league as any supercar! Hope car mags get their hands on one for some interesting comparison tests.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

I would say at least 10 sec. slower.

Based on what I have seen in the past, usually magazine drivers, even the good ones, don't get within 10 sec. of factory drivers who are very familiar with the car and also can tinker on various settings and run in ideal conditions.

Porsche claimed with its driver that it can do 7:25-so that's not 10 seconds but rather 2.8s quicker.

[desertfox73]

I don't care much for the looks of the car with the GTS gear, but holy crap this thing can move. Very, very impressive.

[surewin]

Originally Posted by dgp

When Sport Auto ran 991 GT3 (not with a Porsche driver obviously), they hit 7:32 at the ring.

That's a very slow time for the 991 GT3. Timo Kluck hit 7:37 with a 991 Carrera S, and I'm sure that the GT3 is more than 5 sec faster than the Carrera C2S on the Nurburgring.

The 7:25 time seems like more realistic for the 991 GT3 under the hands of a capable driver.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by surewin

That's a very slow time for the 991 GT3. Timo Kluck hit 7:37 with a 991 Carrera S, and I'm sure that the GT3 is more than 5 sec faster than the Carrera C2S on the Nurburgring.

The 7:25 time seems like more realistic for the 991 GT3 under the hands of a capable driver.

Sport Auto never gets the absolute best times as they are not factory drivers...for example they hit 7:44 with 991 Carrera S (whereas Porsche driver hit 7:37.9. The delta between 991 S and 991 GT3 is about 12-13 seconds as indicated both by Sport Auto and Porsche's factory drivers.

When you compare -it has to be apple to apple (either Sport Auto test to Sport Auto or factory drivers for both cars). Notice base M4 hit 7:52 with Sport Auto driver-no factory BMW ran at the ring- perhaps if they ran one it might be in the 7:45-47 range.

[Elsabor67]

CanAutM3 After watching the video again I stand corrected.

Boss330 The DSMB maintained the 250KPH limit until the end of 2015. The agreement was to lift it in 2016 under agreement with FIA/VLN/Nurburgring regarding changes to the track and GT3 cars that ran in the SP9/SP-X categories. I know that there are 2 other categories that I'm forgetting about but the ban was still in effect for the remainder of the year.

Of course.........unless "some" chose to look the other way

[cc3]

7.30 from a Cayman GT4. Unknown driver

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by cc3

7.30 from a Cayman GT4. Unknown driver

That's a BTG (Bridge to Gantry) lap, which is significantly shorter than a full lap or the "Sport Auto lap".

On a BTG lap the timing starts at the Bridge just after the regular tourist ride entry to the ring and timing ends at the gantry just at the start of the Döttinger Höhe straight. So the entire long straight is missing from a BTG lap. You need to add between 15-20s IIRC (depending on top speed on the straight) on a BTG lap to make a theoretical comparison to a full lap.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by Elsabor67

CanAutM3 After watching the video again I stand corrected.

Boss330 The DSMB maintained the 250KPH limit until the end of 2015. The agreement was to lift it in 2016 under agreement with FIA/VLN/Nurburgring regarding changes to the track and GT3 cars that ran in the SP9/SP-X categories. I know that there are 2 other categories that I'm forgetting about but the ban was still in effect for the remainder of the year.

Of course.........unless "some" chose to look the other way

It certainly looks like the ban was lifted for the M4 GTS at least. I'm pretty sure BMW would not publizise a video if they where driving illegally in it... There could be serious consequences for BMW and the Nürburgring operators if this was done illegally...

I was thinking of the reports earlier this year that said speed limits would be lifted for manufacturers:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/nu...or-automakers/

[cc3]

These Nurburgring lap times all pretty meaningless now given recent speed restrictions and the fact people measure a lap from different positions.

A lot of the improvement in time is also down to tyre technology and you never know what type of tyres are being run for some of these times or even if they are road legal. Also manufacturers do all sorts of tweaks not seen on the production version

So best take times as a guide not it was x faster or slower than y

[manuelf]

Originally Posted by Boss330

It certainly looks like the ban was lifted for the M4 GTS at least. I'm pretty sure BMW would not publizise a video if they where driving illegally in it... There could be serious consequences for BMW and the Nürburgring operators if this was done illegally...

I was thinking of the reports earlier this year that said speed limits would be lifted for manufacturers:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/nu...or-automakers/

During the so called "industry pool" time, where all the OEM have the ring exclusively for their testing, there is NO speedlimit!
Speedlimit is only during race events, tourist days and track day events as they are regarded as public events (eventually with spectators). If you read through the last Sport Auto magazine issues, Christian Gebhardt (current supertest driver), that he was allowed to do some high speed testing without speed limit with one of the supertest cars to get an idea about the possible max speed during industry pool...

[Dackelone]

CanAutM3
Boss330

Originally Posted by Elsabor67

After watching the video again I stand corrected.

Did you guys read Dale's thoughts?

Dackel



http://www.bridgetogantry.com/video-...m28s-full-lap/


This isn’t just a great onboard video of a hot new BMW M-car on the Nürburgring Nordschleife. It marks a radical departure for the Bavarian brand – all the other laptimes you’ll find scattered around the internet are based on unsubstantiated claims or SportAuto magazine hotlaps.

Here are my quick-fire observations:

Too often manufacturers make bold claims without providing any evidence whatsoever (Alfa? Giulia? <cough> #ShowMeTheVideoOrGTFO), so full marks to BMW for releasing this.

The quality is just impressive, especially in 4k! No messing, an uptodate GoPro in the windscreen, another pointed at the driver and some simple data overlays.

The driver is Jörg Weidinger, full time chassis engineer, part time BMW Driving Experience instructor, and two time German and European Hillclimb Champion. Really.

Speed limits? BMW are the first manufacturer to openly show a car breaking the largely-unenforced 2015 speedlimits since Lamborghini released the Aventador sub-7 full lap. It does 225kmh into the 200kmh zone before Flugplatz, a whopping 262kmh into Schwedenkreuz (through the 250 limit) and an even more surprising 260kmh into Fuchsröhre! Oh, and 272kmh in the 250 Döttinger Höhe limit, and nearly 280 into the Tiergarten dip.

If you don’t want to hear Jörg’s deadpan, though sometimes insightful, commentary there’s a ‘clean’ video here. Und mit Deutschen Kommentaren hier. The 4k YouTube (English) version is below:

[Falafel Combo]

Meh. Still don't like the rims.