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      07-09-2014, 09:00 AM   #89
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No one else thinks it's a bit weird. All those comparos against RS5 which lost to the previous gen M3, but no F vs. E matching...
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      07-09-2014, 09:36 AM   #90
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Still waiting for the E92 vs F82 track battle.
In other threads, the reports suggest the F8x is faster.

I mentioned the new m4 could probably be up there with a 911 Turbo and was criticized for that in another thread. And now looking at Karrussel's experience at the Nord he was beating a 997 turbo.

In contrast, The E9x does not come near a 997 turbo.

I expect the e9X to be slower in all tests. As I understood, BMW expects the new M3/M4 to be just shy of the outgoing M3 GTS.
Oh yes I'm sure the M4 is faster. I just think the E92 is already the (slightly) better track car than RS5, so I think it's a better comparison.
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      07-09-2014, 01:32 PM   #91
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      07-09-2014, 02:51 PM   #92
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In other threads, the reports suggest the F8x is faster.

I mentioned the new m4 could probably be up there with a 911 Turbo and was criticized for that in another thread. And now looking at Karrussel's experience at the Nord he was beating a 997 turbo.

In contrast, The E9x does not come near a 997 turbo.

I expect the e9X to be slower in all tests. As I understood, BMW expects the new M3/M4 to be just shy of the outgoing M3 GTS.
I didn't read that thread, but did he know the driver of the 997 turbo? Beating a faster car means nothing if both drivers aren't capable of using the cars to their potential. I've passed countless exotics including multiple MP4-12C's and 458 Italias at the track, but that doesn't mean the M3 is a faster car.
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Yup there is nothing by BMW (again) in the top 10 lap times listed... The R8 is a great example of 4WD implementation but if ///M do xdrive then it would have to be optional surely... Perhaps they could get a way with developing a new 4WD vehicle like we all mention now and again, but it won't get under the radar with an M3, M4, M5 or M6.

In fact given how strong the reaction was to turbo charging M vehicles I can imagine pitchforks and torches outside Bimmerpost HQ if M became xdrive only!

Ps where is an angry mob emoticon? :angrymob:
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I think BMW M division surely will make it optional, but once sales of AWD greatly exceed manual, I am afraid BMW will make it DSG only like Audi has done with the RS5. I think M division discussed also that if power increases anymore they have to look at AWD. A 245 or 255 tire can only take so much power and torque before power becomes useless.
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In other threads, the reports suggest the F8x is faster.

I mentioned the new m4 could probably be up there with a 911 Turbo and was criticized for that in another thread. And now looking at Karrussel's experience at the Nord he was beating a 997 turbo.

In contrast, The E9x does not come near a 997 turbo.

I expect the e9X to be slower in all tests. As I understood, BMW expects the new M3/M4 to be just shy of the outgoing M3 GTS.
I didn't read that thread, but did he know the driver of the 997 turbo? Beating a faster car means nothing if both drivers aren't capable of using the cars to their potential. I've passed countless exotics including multiple MP4-12C's and 458 Italias at the track, but that doesn't mean the M3 is a faster car.
The statement was that the F8x pulled on it in a particular turn where power and torque were evident.

I have also tracked and you are right, the driver is the main factor. I lapped a Lamborghini and a mclaren in a cayman r. So go figure. But that day I drove a scuderia f430 and it was noticeably faster than the cayman although a lot harder to drive.

The F8X sounds to be very much faster than the e9x.
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The best is the quotes on the interior:

BMW Brings DTM feeling on the road.

Audi is a GT, not a racer.

And on the engine:

The twin turbo inline 6 moves away from the DTM cars' NA high revving 4.0L V8 with a 9,000rpm redline feel.

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The M4 scored higher than the RS5 in the "Sound" category
I really don't know what to say but BMW decided to pick a engine that in my opinion sucks and resulted in some m class adjustment. In the paramount picture things could sound better and have a bit more sophistication from the general 3 series variant,

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