Anyone planning on picking up a G8X and tracking it?

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by stevehifi

I was talking about the track potential. Stock for stock on the track the G8x will still be faster. The S58 will be underrated and probably make about 580hp at the crank. I've driven the X3M, it's easy to tell the motor is much stronger than the S55. G8x will put power down better, corner better and have better MDM/traction control.

And I'm sure add a couple mods (suspension, pads, wheels/tires) I can't see how the f8x with the same mods will stand a chance (even with the added weight of the G8x)

Look at all these pig heavy cars: ZL1 1LE, GT350R, Vettes, even Viper ACR.. all 3600lb-4000lb porkers and they will eat the F8x for lunch on the track.

AFAIK, both launch and in gear acceleration is slower for G8x compared to F8x because there is, not 100lbs weight increase, but more than 220 lbs weight increase comparing apples to apples (F8x MT vs G8x MT, F8x DCT vs G8x 8AT). You can check the technical data of F8x and G8x.

I am also not sure if you even track your car judging from your response. AWD does not provide any more traction advantage when you are at a track with 60-200AA tires. It will slow you down on straights and drag you in the corners due to extra weight. This is exactly the reason M8 competition coupe is tested SLOWER than M6 at Willows, stock to stock.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

They already couldn't sell the F8X CS cars that did have DCTs, as people expect special stuff for bargain basement pricing.

I'm sure they will also struggle to sell the G8X CS regardless of transmission

I see two reasons behind this.

1. F8x base was too good and came with 95% of the stuff that CS offered.
2. Some people want MT when it comes to special editions because of value retention, but CS/GTS did not offer that. However, since GTS is much more track focused i.e. focused solely on lap times, people did not complain as much and all of them sold with relative ease. (Think of GT3 not selling well without MT but GT2RS all being sold with PDK only)

It is a very different scenario this time around. ZF8 is just infuriating around tight tracks and mountain roads, even the best iterations are at "barely acceptable" level. Offering DCT for a more focused driver's car should be a no brainer.

[stevehifi]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

AFAIK, both launch and in gear acceleration is slower for G8x compared to F8x because there is, not 100lbs weight increase, but more than 220 lbs weight increase comparing apples to apples (F8x MT vs G8x MT, F8x DCT vs G8x 8AT). You can check the technical data of F8x and G8x.

I am also not sure if you even track your car judging from your response. AWD does not provide any more traction advantage when you are at a track with 60-200AA tires. It will slow you down on straights and drag you in the corners due to extra weight. This is exactly the reason M8 competition coupe is tested SLOWER than M6 at Willows, stock to stock.

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sorry man but I think you're in denial. G8x will absolutely smoke any F8x. Even BMW admitted that its faster than an M4GTS. (comparing a street car to a 'track ready' car)
Let's sync up in a couple weeks when all the reviews come out.

AWD doesn't have a traction advantage, are you for real? Sorry but ever hear of the AWD Volkswagen IDR that has the record for the Pike's Peak hill climb and has a 6:05min at the Nurburgring?

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by stevehifi

Even BMW admitted that its faster than an M4GTS. (comparing a street car to a 'track ready' car)

Link? I don’t remember reading/hearing this and I can’t find anything to substantiate it.

Originally Posted by stevehifi

'AWD doesn't have a traction advantage, are you for real? Sorry but ever hear of the AWD Volkswagen IDR that has the record for the Pike's Peak hill climb and has a 6:05min at the Nurburgring?

Nice, let’s compare an unrestricted EV concept/racecar to a consumer car. You couldn’t even compare a hypercar to that thing.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Link? I don’t remember reading/hearing this and I can’t find anything to substantiate it.

Yes, they mentioned this. They said it was faster in most conditions. I am not surprised at all, go to a fast track and more powerful cars demolish lighter cars. At WGI good luck with a light track car build, the 460whp G8X will stomp all over it.

I'm curious about final weights and how much tire it can take. If it can take enough tire the weight will not be as big of an issue for serious trackers.
For the occasional track use most people will do to any M3, I'm sure it will be juuuuuuust fine

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Yes, they mentioned this. They said it was faster in most conditions. I am not surprised at all, go to a fast track and more powerful cars demolish lighter cars. At WGI good luck with a light track car build, the 460whp G8X will stomp all over it.

I'm curious about final weights and how much tire it can take. If it can take enough tire the weight will not be as big of an issue for serious trackers.
For the occasional track use most people will do to any M3, I'm sure it will be juuuuuuust fine

That doesn’t logically make a lot of sense to me as the GTS has similar output to a G8X comp and has a better power/weight ratio and optimized suspension/aero. The statement that other dude made implies that the G8X will run a 7:28 or better around the ring. I’m not disagreeing with the notion that a G8X will be faster around a track than a regular F8X, I’m disagreeing with the notion that it’s faster than a GTS specifically. I mean there are no lap times to confirm but I’m just trying to think about this intuitively. And I’m genuinely curious where BMW said that.

I think we’re all pretty curious about a lot of aspects of the car, although weight seems to be one of those things BMW is being intentionally confusing about. I’m still reserving my final judgment for when I can actually drive the thing hopefully at an m town event.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

That doesn’t logically make a lot of sense to me as the GTS has similar output to a G8X comp and has a better power/weight ratio and optimized suspension/aero. The statement that other dude made implies that the G8X will run a 7:28 or better around the ring. I’m not disagreeing with the notion that a G8X will be faster around a track than a regular F8X, I’m disagreeing with the notion that it’s faster than a GTS specifically. I mean there are no lap times to confirm but I’m just trying to think about this intuitively. And I’m genuinely curious where BMW said that.

I think we’re all pretty curious about a lot of aspects of the car, although weight seems to be one of those things BMW is being intentionally confusing about. I’m still reserving my final judgment for when I can actually drive the thing hopefully at an m town event.

I agree, I am skeptical about it being faster than the GTS. But we'll know soon enough!

The chassis would have to be better to be faster, but the GTS already had a good one.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by stevehifi

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sorry man but I think you're in denial. G8x will absolutely smoke any F8x. Even BMW admitted that its faster than an M4GTS. (comparing a street car to a 'track ready' car)
Let's sync up in a couple weeks when all the reviews come out.

You can check this link for yourself. BMW disagrees with you that G8x will smoke F8x with their data.
https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1759880
Nordschleife times should be taken with a grain of salt since more and more manufacturers are using it as an advertising means than to convey actual performance delta. In a 23km track such as this, you will see more than 10 seconds faster just by choosing a track oriented tire compound. Why don't you ask BMW what tires were used when they made the claim that it is "faster than GTS"? Whether it was the same driver as F8x? How was the track condition? Without verifying all these variables, it is less than reliable.

Originally Posted by stevehifi

AWD doesn't have a traction advantage, are you for real? Sorry but ever hear of the AWD Volkswagen IDR that has the record for the Pike's Peak hill climb and has a 6:05min at the Nurburgring?

Now you are comparing apples to oranges. If we are talking race cars, 919 LMP1 runs 5:19 with RWD. F1 V6s will lap you in the out lap and they are RWD. There is no use discussing AWD vs RWD when you compare a street car to a race car.
For street cars at the track days, AWD has advantage mainly for launching from the stop. It has no clear advantage in acceleration or around corners vs RWD with high grip tires I have mentioned, only the weight detriments.

For less talented drivers, sure it would be confidence inspiring. Might as well drive an Audi for added understeer.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Nice, let’s compare an unrestricted EV concept/racecar to a consumer car. You couldn’t even compare a hypercar to that thing.

F1 had unrestricted budget cap from 2014-2021, yet nobody bothered to add AWD in any of their race cars. That should say enough.

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by stevehifi

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sorry man but I think you're in denial. G8x will absolutely smoke any F8x. Even BMW admitted that its faster than an M4GTS. (comparing a street car to a 'track ready' car)
Let's sync up in a couple weeks when all the reviews come out.

AWD doesn't have a traction advantage, are you for real? Sorry but ever hear of the AWD Volkswagen IDR that has the record for the Pike's Peak hill climb and has a 6:05min at the Nurburgring?

Are you going for an individual color on your g8x?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

They already couldn't sell the F8X CS cars that did have DCTs, as people expect special stuff for bargain basement pricing.

I'm sure they will also struggle to sell the G8X CS regardless of transmission

Interestingly, the M5cs seems to sell very well. My good buddy is trying to acquire one but to no avail, as all 25 slated for Canada are already spoken for.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

F1 had unrestricted budget cap from 2014-2021, yet nobody bothered to add AWD in any of their race cars. That should say enough.

Have you considered that this may be because AWD is not permitted under the regulation ?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by xxaarraa

One word: electrification.

BMW is not investing in another generation of DCT because this way of life is fast becoming extinct. In 10 years (typical lifespan of a from the ground up investment in new tranny), there will be a vastly reduced and further reducing fleet of gasoline performance cars. They are doing the right thing in putting the investment dollars towards electrification. That's where the world is headed.

They did not need to invest on a new DCT for the G8X as the one on the F8X would have worked just fine for a RWD application. It is the avenue of AWD that canned the DCT.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by stevehifi

Here we go again, F8x owners thinking that their cars are going to better than the incoming G8x because its 100lbs lighter and you can more easily change brake pads...

the G8x (even with AWD) will drive better, stop better and accelerate better than anything that the F8x can throw at it (stock for stock). 100lbs or not.

Slap on some M performance parts, tires and pads and head to the track, no problem.

I've driven the x3m,... that motor is solid and that heavy ass vehicle drove like a bat
out of hell.

You see, I dont believe this is necessarily the case depending on context. I doubt I would be much faster in a G82competition than I am in my current F82cs when shod with the same tires, given the power to weight ratios. Based on the paper specs (because that is all we have to go with at present time), there nothing that leads me to believe the G82 will give me a better on track driving experience than my F82cs. And to boot, here in Canada, the G82 price has went up so much that it retails close what the the M4cs retailed for. So the G82 is not an appealing proposition to me at all in my context. And that's not even considering how the esthetics are not the most pleasing to me.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by stevehifi

I was talking about the track potential. Stock for stock on the track the G8x will still be faster. The S58 will be underrated and probably make about 580hp at the crank. I've driven the X3M, it's easy to tell the motor is much stronger than the S55. G8x will put power down better, corner better and have better MDM/traction control.

And I'm sure add a couple mods (suspension, pads, wheels/tires) I can't see how the f8x with the same mods will stand a chance (even with the added weight of the G8x)

Look at all these pig heavy cars: ZL1 1LE, GT350R, Vettes, even Viper ACR.. all 3600lb-4000lb porkers and they will eat the F8x for lunch on the track.

I've never considered 'vettes and Viper ACR as porkers...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I see two reasons behind this.

1. F8x base was too good and came with 95% of the stuff that CS offered.
2. Some people want MT when it comes to special editions because of value retention, but CS/GTS did not offer that. However, since GTS is much more track focused i.e. focused solely on lap times, people did not complain as much and all of them sold with relative ease. (Think of GT3 not selling well without MT but GT2RS all being sold with PDK only)

It is a very different scenario this time around. ZF8 is just infuriating around tight tracks and mountain roads, even the best iterations are at "barely acceptable" level. Offering DCT for a more focused driver's car should be a no brainer.

It has to be said the CS was grossly overpriced in the US. The market spoke and the actual going price were much more in line with the value it represented.

[deeldoo]

G8X is the ugliest car of all time but it will be faster around a track than an F8X stop the nonsense.

It might destroy consumables but that's about it.

With added weight also came stiffening measures from what i read, this is gonna compete with the GT350R in it's competition form which is in F82 GTS territory.

But it doesn't even matter, the car is ugly as hell and bat shit heavy, it won't be as fun on a track.

Numbers stopped mattering to me when i turned 22, theres always someone faster.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

For street cars at the track days, AWD has advantage mainly for launching from the stop. It has no clear advantage in acceleration or around corners vs RWD with high grip tires I have mentioned, only the weight detriments.

For less talented drivers, sure it would be confidence inspiring. Might as well drive an Audi for added understeer.

No understeer with M xDrive in my experience, no different on corner entry, just gobs of traction mid corner to corner exit. Did not make the M5 an Audi, won't make the G8X an RS5.

Time advantage will be track dependent, but I can think of numerous corners where the exit traction advantage would be at least a few tenths, maybe 0.5 vs. rwd.

Since F8X front end is pinned and G8X apparently progresses from there, how early and hard back on power is the primary lap time limitation. M xDrive you'll be slingshotting out of the corner with early throttle application that would have sent you sideways with rwd. We'll see

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by deeldoo

G8X is the ugliest car of all time but it will be faster around a track than an F8X stop the nonsense.

It might destroy consumables but that's about it.

With added weight also came stiffening measures from what i read, this is gonna compete with the GT350R in it's competition form which is in F82 GTS territory.

But it doesn't even matter, the car is ugly as hell and bat shit heavy, it won't be as fun on a track.

Numbers stopped mattering to me when i turned 22, theres always someone faster.

From what I see, there are no more stiffening measures in the G8X than there are in the F8X...

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

That doesn’t logically make a lot of sense to me as the GTS has similar output to a G8X comp and has a better power/weight ratio and optimized suspension/aero. The statement that other dude made implies that the G8X will run a 7:28 or better around the ring. I’m not disagreeing with the notion that a G8X will be faster around a track than a regular F8X, I’m disagreeing with the notion that it’s faster than a GTS specifically. I mean there are no lap times to confirm but I’m just trying to think about this intuitively. And I’m genuinely curious where BMW said that.

I think we’re all pretty curious about a lot of aspects of the car, although weight seems to be one of those things BMW is being intentionally confusing about. I’m still reserving my final judgment for when I can actually drive the thing hopefully at an m town event.

My experience --

Fully stock F8X to stock track spec GTS is ~6 seconds around a 2 mile technical circuit. So, that would be crazy if G8X achieves.

E9X to F8X was more like 3-4 seconds and that was night and day difference.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Have you considered that this may be because AWD is not permitted under the regulation ?

I don't think there ever has been a regulation against it, which is why I mentioned. AWD in a race car such as F1 that weighs 600-720kg, weight increase is huge % putting front axles and a diff.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

I don't think there ever has been a regulation against it, which is why I mentioned. AWD in a race car such as F1 that weighs 600-720kg, weight increase is huge % putting front axles and a diff.

Weight is not really an issue in F1 since the constructors have the technical means to make cars well below the regulated minimum weight. From the 2021 F1 rule book: