New Z/28 beats the GTR on Track...

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

this is way way way off. the Camaro ran a 7:37 on the ring. The m3 ran like an 8:05. There is no freaking chance you will pick up over 30 seconds from tires alone.

The Camaro is not quicker than these two cars on equal tires but its way quicker than an e92 m3. The m3 would get destroyed by any of these cars regardless of what tires its on.

I also think the new m3 will have one hell of a time beating this car on track, even with R-comps.

I still think its a silly platform to mod to this extent, but it is a fast car. It also has incredible shock technology that I wish BMW had. The magnetic dampers that GM has are the real deal

I'm talking about at the track they did THIS test , not a power track like the ring . But since you bring it up there are owners with stock power E92 M3's in the 7:40's on the ring with tires and coil overs . I'm talking a proper 285 square set up on the M3 .

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

this is way way way off. the Camaro ran a 7:37 on the ring. The m3 ran like an 8:05. There is no freaking chance you will pick up over 30 seconds from tires alone.

The Camaro is not quicker than these two cars on equal tires but its way quicker than an e92 m3. The m3 would get destroyed by any of these cars regardless of what tires its on.

I also think the new m3 will have one hell of a time beating this car on track, even with R-comps.

I still think its a silly platform to mod to this extent, but it is a fast car. It also has incredible shock technology that I wish BMW had. The magnetic dampers that GM has are the real deal

As an example Leah Keen ran a 1:16 at Roebling road in his personal manual E 92 with stock power , KWV3's and Michelin sport cups ( not even square ) . He only ran a 1:14 in his One lap of America modded to the max GTR . The E92 with coilovers and tires is a hell of a track car on a technical track .

[VR1]

A 2009 GTR (with different tires) is 9 seconds faster then a Z/28 at the Nurburgring..
A 2011 GTR with stock tires is 3 seconds faster then the Z/28 around the Nurburgring..

[JRV]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

As an example Leah Keen ran a 1:16 at Roebling road in his personal manual E 92 with stock power , KWV3's and Michelin sport cups ( not even square ) . He only ran a 1:14 in his One lap of America modded to the max GTR . The E92 with coilovers and tires is a hell of a track car on a technical track .

Since the Ring is so much bigger the 2 seconds would multiply over the course of a bigger track, no?

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by JRV

Since the Ring is so much bigger the 2 seconds would multiply over the course of a bigger track, no?

That wasn't a stock GTR , it was modded to over 600 whp/tq , had a full racing suspension , square wheel/ tire setup , upgraded cooling etc . etc. etc . The GTR won the one lap of America modded class . My point was it's faster than the GTR was stock and close to a fully modded one on a technical track .

[Patronus86]

It's both interesting and funny that so many people hate on the camaro and talk trash about it despite that beat out a GTR on the track. The z/28 may have had better tires, so even if the GTR had raced with different shoes and won, people should still understand the important takeaway here...an american muscle car can actually compete with top end Japanese and European cars on the track.

American muscle cars are changing and I think their ability to compete with Europe and Japan will only improve over the coming years. There may still be a quality gap between a GTR or M4 and a camaro or mustang, but that's to be expected. These cars were always meant to provide superior performance at affordable prices.

[E36toF30]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

It's definitely fast. But it's not accurate to say it's faster than the gtr and 991 turbo on track because one has semi slick tires (which anyone who tracks often would use) and the otjers are on basic summers. There is easily a couple to a few seconds there based on tires alone .

Again, not saying it's not fast , but am saying that tires being equal it's not faster than the other 2 cars in the test.

I agree that if the 911 and GTR had the same tires as the Camaro, they'd be faster. However, since they're AWD and not as grip limited as the Camaro, it probably wouldn't help them as much. I still think the Camaro would be pretty close. Which is very very impressive, considering the other cars have noticeably more power, AWD, and (in the case of the 911) a 250 lb weight advantage.

Also, the reason they're modding the Camaro like this instead of the Corvette is that this generation Camaro is at the end of its life cycle, while the Corvette was just redesigned. They could very well make a special version of the Corvette that's similar in spirit and has the same technology. It might not be until much later in its life cycle though.

And the Z28 doesn't use GM's variable magnetic damper technology. It's some other kind of non-variable (well, not real time variable at least) damping technology that's used in F1 cars or something.