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      03-26-2020, 08:21 PM   #3103
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I don't know why i find this one so hilarious, but i do:



the screengrab is the best:

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I don't know why i find this one so hilarious, but i do:



the screengrab is the best:

I thought that look was pretty hilarious to.
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I thought that look was pretty hilarious to.
"oh NO i'm not, i ain't messin wit Chu! no i am not ..."
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I thought that look was pretty hilarious to.
"oh NO i'm not, i ain't messin wit Chu! no i am not ..."
More like I ain't TOUCHING it
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If you're looking a great podcast to stay updated on national coordination of covid19 efforts, I can't recommend this enough - even the intro is good:

I've worked with Andy in the past and he's one of those few people you feel super lucky to have done stuff with - and his daily updates are also awesome:
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I also shaved because I wear a mask nowadays - it's not one I could've donated as it was previously used - actually we both wear one when we go anywhere likely to have crowds or we have to stand in line like the grocery store.

On a related note, contrary to stuff in the media, any type of mask is better than nothing for covid and plain ole 100% cotton is actually one of the better things you can use. I'd recommend everyone wear a mask of some sort until your area is under controlled management. For example you could use a hiking dust neckerchief and then wash it out each time.

Some people have pointed out that, even for N95 masks, the micron size of the virus particle is smaller than the smallest opening - that's true, however it doesn't mean masks of even large size aren't effective due to how airflow works (or water flows or traffic moves). When you breathe in, you create a large inflow through those few holes; this takes all of the particles in the air and jams them together, trying to stuff them through and since there's not enough space, they get blocked but air doesn't.

This is also why even cotton works: if you're in a space with a lot of particles they all jam up in front of the openings, but if there's only one or two virus particles that could get through you're highly unlikely to encounter them.

Anyway, point is, you may feel goofy, but masks work; and all of our best defense is to not get the virus in the first place. Asians figured this out 10 years ago with SARS which is why masks are so common there, this pic is from a convenience store in Tokyo 5 months ago, masks are just part of the culture there

I find the whole ”should I wear a mask” conversation very interesting because both the CDC and the WHO say don't wear a mask if you're not infected.

But then at the same time I have people in my neighborhood making masks out of all sorts or materials for the healthcare professionals.

So is the advice simply to help the supply for those professionals tho wearing a mask could actually be helpful to anyone going out?
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So is the advice simply to help the supply for those professionals tho wearing a mask could actually be helpful to anyone going out?
I've worked in national healthcare for 15 years with docs and infectious disease specialists (incl Dr. Osterholm), attempting to prevent and treat chronic and acute conditions; FWIW, here's my 2 cents:

(1.) All masks are effective, some more than others, proper use counts
(2.) Basic masks can be made @ home, even 100% cotton is an effective air filter and easily washable
(3.) For now, prof-grade mask should be donated to HCWs

if you want a more detailed explanation based on what I'm hearing, with a mask, you're trying to do three things:

(a.) Prevent virus-containing droplets or vapor from entering through your eyes, nose, mouth when you breathe, and

(b.) Prevent virus-containing droplets or vapor from landing on you and/or you pick them up from touching something, then you touch your eyes, nose, mouth infecting yourself.

(c.) Prevent infecting others if you're infected, and you might not know if you are (if fact, it's suspected most don't for up to 2 weeks)

Thus, masks - and any washable clothing or barrier - work to do all three. While virus particles themselves are smaller than the openings of, say, even N95 masks themselves, in reality the mask provides three properties:

(1.) the physics of in-rushing air (mixed with dust & virus vapor) to small openings clogs the openings just like 3 linebackers and 1 kid all rushing to get through the same door at the same time - even the kid won't get through even though they're all small enough to fit, and
(2.) larger droplets will land on the surface of the mask, not your eyes/nose/mouth/face.
(3.) if you're infected, prevents you from infecting others.

So add this all up and here's what you get:

* wear lots of washable clothing, including over your face and hair (and glasses over your eyes), and, after returning from being out, treat the clothes like they're contaminated meaning wash them (or at a minimum let them sit for 5-7 days before touching), and then yourself.

Note that N95 masks are very difficult to sanitize per 3M: they can't be washed, heated (much), etc and ionizing radiation (like a microwave) destroys the coating that makes them work. Best you can do is let them sit for 7 days face down in a paper bag. Better is to wear them with a washable cover. The key is, anything that touches the outside is contaminated and if it touches the inside the mask is toast.

* a "buff", "snood", or smartly rolled bandana work great as a basic face mask (bandana: fold in half diagonally, fold bottom corners up 2/3rds, roll 1/2" of long edge down 2 or 3 times till it touches the top of the folded up corners holding them in place, tie around your face, long side on top; rolling covers nose bridge, folded bottom corners seal chin)

* Line homemade masks with thicker material if you can, baby diaper works great and makes you laugh knowing your breathing through a diaper

These things will cut down your risks significantly, and anecdotal evidence shows this, not just with covid19, but with other coronaviruses.

The coronavirus is obviously robust, however its protective layer is very fragile to things like isopropyl alcohol, full UV light (like direct sunlight), and plain old soap, and it also denatures rather quickly on porous surfaces like paper and cloth (which means 3-5 days, 7 to be safe).

While it's not proven, there's no other reasonable explanation for such widespread transmission other than covid19 is transmissible via simple breathing - thus you can be infected by simply entering a vacated room an infected person was in, or being exposed to non-filtered air (cruise ships are notorious for this as they don't filter the air room-to-room).

Personally I wear a buff around my neck when I walk around and if I get close to anyone, or go into a confinedish area where multiple people have been (stairwell, hallways, et al), I pull it over my face. For grocery stores, shops, etc I use a smoke mask with the buff pulled over that ... then when I get home everything goes into the washing machine and I take a shower.


If anyone thinks this (or a mask) is overkill, a friend is the doc for FDNY, but now he's triaging ambulance calls 100 hours / week, and his advice based on what he's seeing is a hazmat suit (not a joke, deadly serious).

We should all be making mask-wearing the public symbol of a life-saver.
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It's WAR! Now let's ship all of our ammo and munitions to other countries so they can fight their wars. They make a pretty good profit on that stuff.
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Pretty important thread for any American to read:

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Pretty important thread for any American to read:

5k dead, 200k infected and red states not resting or reporting. I feel horrible for you all and I will never bitch again about home schooling my kids. Lockdown week 3 going on here, we have 1400 cases and 17 dead.
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5k dead, 200k infected and red states not resting or reporting. I feel horrible for you all and I will never bitch again about home schooling my kids. Lockdown week 3 going on here, we have 1400 cases and 17 dead.
yeah, it's a real shitshow - keep trying to find some hope out there .... seems like just last month I was bumming around Seattle buying mocha espressos to support the pacific crest trail association ... because it was!

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I've worked in national healthcare for 15 years with docs and infectious disease specialists (incl Dr. Osterholm), attempting to prevent and treat chronic and acute conditions; FWIW, here's my 2 cents:

(1.) All masks are effective, some more than others, proper use counts
(2.) Basic masks can be made @ home, even 100% cotton is an effective air filter and easily washable
(3.) For now, prof-grade mask should be donated to HCWs

if you want a more detailed explanation based on what I'm hearing, with a mask, you're trying to do three things:

(a.) Prevent virus-containing droplets or vapor from entering through your eyes, nose, mouth when you breathe, and

(b.) Prevent virus-containing droplets or vapor from landing on you and/or you pick them up from touching something, then you touch your eyes, nose, mouth infecting yourself.

(c.) Prevent infecting others if you're infected, and you might not know if you are (if fact, it's suspected most don't for up to 2 weeks)

Thus, masks - and any washable clothing or barrier - work to do all three. While virus particles themselves are smaller than the openings of, say, even N95 masks themselves, in reality the mask provides three properties:

(1.) the physics of in-rushing air (mixed with dust & virus vapor) to small openings clogs the openings just like 3 linebackers and 1 kid all rushing to get through the same door at the same time - even the kid won't get through even though they're all small enough to fit, and
(2.) larger droplets will land on the surface of the mask, not your eyes/nose/mouth/face.
(3.) if you're infected, prevents you from infecting others.

So add this all up and here's what you get:

* wear lots of washable clothing, including over your face and hair (and glasses over your eyes), and, after returning from being out, treat the clothes like they're contaminated meaning wash them (or at a minimum let them sit for 5-7 days before touching), and then yourself.

Note that N95 masks are very difficult to sanitize per 3M: they can't be washed, heated (much), etc and ionizing radiation (like a microwave) destroys the coating that makes them work. Best you can do is let them sit for 7 days face down in a paper bag. Better is to wear them with a washable cover. The key is, anything that touches the outside is contaminated and if it touches the inside the mask is toast.

* a "buff", "snood", or smartly rolled bandana work great as a basic face mask (bandana: fold in half diagonally, fold bottom corners up 2/3rds, roll 1/2" of long edge down 2 or 3 times till it touches the top of the folded up corners holding them in place, tie around your face, long side on top; rolling covers nose bridge, folded bottom corners seal chin)

* Line homemade masks with thicker material if you can, baby diaper works great and makes you laugh knowing your breathing through a diaper

These things will cut down your risks significantly, and anecdotal evidence shows this, not just with covid19, but with other coronaviruses.

The coronavirus is obviously robust, however its protective layer is very fragile to things like isopropyl alcohol, full UV light (like direct sunlight), and plain old soap, and it also denatures rather quickly on porous surfaces like paper and cloth (which means 3-5 days, 7 to be safe).

While it's not proven, there's no other reasonable explanation for such widespread transmission other than covid19 is transmissible via simple breathing - thus you can be infected by simply entering a vacated room an infected person was in, or being exposed to non-filtered air (cruise ships are notorious for this as they don't filter the air room-to-room).

Personally I wear a buff around my neck when I walk around and if I get close to anyone, or go into a confinedish area where multiple people have been (stairwell, hallways, et al), I pull it over my face. For grocery stores, shops, etc I use a smoke mask with the buff pulled over that ... then when I get home everything goes into the washing machine and I take a shower.


If anyone thinks this (or a mask) is overkill, a friend is the doc for FDNY, but now he's triaging ambulance calls 100 hours / week, and his advice based on what he's seeing is a hazmat suit (not a joke, deadly serious).

We should all be making mask-wearing the public symbol of a life-saver.
Seems like the tide has turned and now most are agreeing with your mask stance.

I saw news last night that Trump going after 3m. Any idea what they are doing? Just selling to other countries first?
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So GrussGott Do you think something like this is worth buying or just wear a cloth that I clean myself?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/50pcs-Face-...UAAOSwLydehGx2
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So GrussGott Do you think something like this is worth buying or just wear a cloth that I clean myself?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/50pcs-Face-...UAAOSwLydehGx2
well, i'd say anything is better than nothing and those are similar to what people in Japan wear and despite the fact they're not following the playbook they're under control, so you could .... And surgical masks do work better than cloth, so for the price maybe go for it, but hard to tell if those are the actual surgical quality masks.

Personally for more casual low-people-density areas I wear a Buff which is nice because it covers your neck, and is also easy to pull up or down BUT. (a.) it's thin and while I know it's a great dust filter, it's probably less effective than a surgical mask if you'll be someplace dense with people, (b.) more importantly you have to ensure you know which side is out if you're pulling it up and down, so that's a big downside.

I also ordered the virustatic shield "snood" - no clue if it works and it's a bit spendy with shipping, but it'll be interesting to try


And there are tons of DIY recipes for cloth masks - if I was going to make one, I'd make it high thread count 2-ply with some sort of thicker washable material in-between, so maybe the answer is get those masks and start looking for a good washable version?
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well, i'd say anything is better than nothing and those are similar to what people in Japan wear and despite the fact they're not following the playbook they're under control, so you could .... And surgical masks do work better than cloth, so for the price maybe go for it, but hard to tell if those are the actual surgical quality masks.

Personally for more casual low-people-density areas I wear a Buff which is nice because it covers your neck, and is also easy to pull up or down BUT. (a.) it's thin and while I know it's a great dust filter, it's probably less effective than a surgical mask if you'll be someplace dense with people, (b.) more importantly you have to ensure you know which side is out if you're pulling it up and down, so that's a big downside.

I also ordered the virustatic shield "snood" - no clue if it works and it's a bit spendy with shipping, but it'll be interesting to try


And there are tons of DIY recipes for cloth masks - if I was going to make one, I'd make it high thread count 2-ply with some sort of thicker washable material in-between, so maybe the answer is get those masks and start looking for a good washable version?
Yeah we've actually decided to start making some masks out of some extra very high thread count sheet sets we had laying around.


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HOLY SHIT! I'm not really a motorcycle guy (although I appreciate them) and beyond a hayabusa i've never really found a motorcycle that I would actually consider buying ... until this one:

I miss my R1200R a lot at times.
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