Drag Race: M4 vs W205 C63 S, Lexus RC-F, E92 M3, W204 C63

[MackDivaS6]

This was fun to watch and made me consider a Mercedes Benz for the first time...

[535i MSport]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

In your dreams.

Stock for stock, an E9X 335 couldn't touch an E9X M3.

+1

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

No need to get aggressive

I have personal experience, unfortunately e90/92 m3's are as fast compared to regular models are other generations. Having said that, it's one of my favorite M cars.

I might have been a little facetious, but there was no aggression in my post, just stating facts

I have experience too . And there are many many independent tests that show the E9X 335i to be significantly slower than the E9X M3 (stock for stock). The only place where the 335i was faster, is in 335i owner's dreams .

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

Those number are fine, I had e92 335 and had many runs with m3 and unfortunately they didn't support these numbers. I love that m3, sound looks, but speed it doesn't have

Run an e9x M3 vs a e9x 335i to top speed and then come back and tell me the M3 doesn't have it. The S65 needed to be revved out. The M3's torque went all the way to the amazing 8,300 RPM redline while the 335i falls flat on its face at 5,500.

The 335i had the torque advantage up until the M3(295 ft. lbs. of torque) gets into its power band and starts clawing it back at higher speeds.

We need to have a lesson in torque multiplication.

[Bahn360Photo]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Run an e9x M3 vs a e9x 335i to top speed and then come back and tell me the M3 doesn't have it. The S65 needed to be revved out. The M3's torque went all the way to the amazing 8,300 RPM redline while the 335i falls flat on its face at 5,500.

The 335i had the torque advantage up until the M3(295 ft. lbs. of torque) gets into its power band and starts clawing it back at higher speeds.

We need to have a lesson in torque multiplication.

I agree, top speed no doubt

[SE7EN335]

My friend works at Merc and was able to take home a facelift C63S with the 9 speed transmission. I raced him from a dig in my M3 non-zcp with a BM3 CS Tune. I beat him by just over a car's length by the time we were in 180kmh speed range.

On a roll in 2nd and 3rd gear, it was dead even until we were in the 220kmh range when we backed off.

I was running PS4S and the C63s was running Continental ExtremeContactDW. I also weigh about 20kgs more than my friend lol

A C63s can most definitely beat a stock BMW M3 zcp or non zcp.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Run an e9x M3 vs a e9x 335i to top speed and then come back and tell me the M3 doesn't have it. The S65 needed to be revved out. The M3's torque went all the way to the amazing 8,300 RPM redline while the 335i falls flat on its face at 5,500.

The 335i had the torque advantage up until the M3(295 ft. lbs. of torque) gets into its power band and starts clawing it back at higher speeds.

We need to have a lesson in torque multiplication.

In fact, the E9X M3 also uses a shorter final drive gearing to have an advantage over the E9X 335i. The M3 has more torque at the wheels than the 335i at any given road speed . There's no "clawing back", a well driven M3 is and stays ahead of the 335i all the way through .

It's a debate I've had numerous times on the ol' E9X forums

[lukej]

Originally Posted by lixiang7349

Lol AMG is good at making their products worse with each new generation 😂

Yeah and they did away with the shifter knob in the center ,, and put it on the column ,, granny style... I looked at a C 63S pretty close before I bought my 2020 M4c ,,,I just couldn’t take that shifter on the column...

[GranitM5]

Originally Posted by lukej

Yeah and they did away with the shifter knob in the center ,, and put it on the column ,, granny style... I looked at a C 63S pretty close before I bought my 2020 M4c ,,,I just couldn’t take that shifter on the column...

I've been a Mercedes owned for the last 10 years. I was going to get into the C63s coupe but needed a bigger car. So it came down to E63s and M5. Having the gear shifter by the steering wheel was such a turn off for me. Couldn't get past it no matter how much nicer the interior on the Benzes was.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

In fact, the E9X M3 also uses a shorter final drive gearing to have an advantage over the E9X 335i. The M3 has more torque at the wheels than the 335i at any given road speed . There's no "clawing back", a well driven M3 is and stays ahead of the 335i all the way through .

It's a debate I've had numerous times on the ol' E9X forums

You and I know that because we've owned one. I'm giving worst case scenario here. Lets pretend the M3 was in the wrong gear.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

You and I know that because we've owned one. I'm giving worst case scenario here. Lets pretend the M3 was in the wrong gear.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

I agree, top speed no doubt

Then your previous post about the M3 not having speed is moot. In reality, the M3 is faster than a 335i in general. Back in the day, a lot of keyboard warriors use to say the 335i was faster stop light to stop light and the people who actually knew/owned the M3 really had one thing to do and that's roll their eyes.

[SabineBimmer]

Sad to see the old bird (e90 M3) get dead last for the most of the tests but it is an old car. BUT, the exhaust note is right there with the old W204 MB! Those were the two best exhaust notes!

Now, that Lexus... good on Toyota on making it an NA V8, but that's about it. What shit that Lexus is...

[lixiang7349]

Originally Posted by lukej

Yeah and they did away with the shifter knob in the center ,, and put it on the column ,, granny style... I looked at a C 63S pretty close before I bought my 2020 M4c ,,,I just couldn’t take that shifter on the column...

Originally Posted by lukej

Yeah and they did away with the shifter knob in the center ,, and put it on the column ,, granny style... I looked at a C 63S pretty close before I bought my 2020 M4c ,,,I just couldn't take that shifter on the column...

2019 cla45 still has it.

[stein_325i]

I honestly don't understand the hate with the column shifter. My CLS is the first Merc I've owned and I got use to it almost immediately. It acts the same way as most modern shifters with up for reverse and down for drive, and it frees up space on the center console, and cars have had column shifters for decades. Honestly I don't know anyone with an automatic who uses the gear lever to shift anymore, with paddle shifters now being the norm in every new car. But I guess everyone has the preferences :

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by lukej

Yeah and they did away with the shifter knob in the center ,, and put it on the column ,, granny style... I looked at a C 63S pretty close before I bought my 2020 M4c ,,,I just couldn’t take that shifter on the column...

Originally Posted by lukej

Yeah and they did away with the shifter knob in the center ,, and put it on the column ,, granny style... I looked at a C 63S pretty close before I bought my 2020 M4c ,,,I just couldn't take that shifter on the column...

The Column shifter trips me out

Reminds me of my dads 1967 Plymouth Fury III

That said I'd take S class over BMW 7

[Staszek]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

I honestly don't understand the hate with the column shifter. My CLS is the first Merc I've owned and I got use to it almost immediately. It acts the same way as most modern shifters with up for reverse and down for drive, and it frees up space on the center console, and cars have had column shifters for decades. Honestly I don't know anyone with an automatic who uses the gear lever to shift anymore, with paddle shifters now being the norm in every new car. But I guess everyone has the preferences :

I hear you it makes no sense, but I just dont like them.

I do use my shifter actually on the 7, I like it over the paddles, I guess its because I enjoy driving stick.

It always felt like I was getting into my Grandma's Buick Century with the column shifter.

Its a perception thing even if you don't use the console shifter. I would actually rather have buttons then a column shifter.

Sad to see the E90 so far behind, still has an awesome engine even if its lacking some power compared to the others, arguably one of the best lookers by far.

Oh last part a stock 335 would be in way worse shape here, I know its been said already

[Bahn360Photo]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Then your previous post about the M3 not having speed is moot. In reality, the M3 is faster than a 335i in general. Back in the day, a lot of keyboard warriors use to say the 335i was faster stop light to stop light and the people who actually knew/owned the M3 really had one thing to do and that's roll their eyes.

Top speed of both of them is limited to 155. If you want to go that route then they are the same.

Getting to top speed m3 may be faster, I doubt anyone actually ran these cars 0-155, at least I haven't seen it.

Short distances 335 is quicker. Rolling eyes or not.

With f30/f80 there was never even a mention of that...because it wasn't even a drivers race. But with e90's it was. Which means that they were too close.

My personal experience, I beat m3's. I seen videos otherwise which weren't false either.

Let me say this again, I love e90/92 m3, I'm not hating on it. I'm stating reality.

[antzcrashing]

Drag races still matter? Odd.

[GranitM5]

Originally Posted by joshuastein55

I honestly don't understand the hate with the column shifter. My CLS is the first Merc I've owned and I got use to it almost immediately. It acts the same way as most modern shifters with up for reverse and down for drive, and it frees up space on the center console, and cars have had column shifters for decades. Honestly I don't know anyone with an automatic who uses the gear lever to shift anymore, with paddle shifters now being the norm in every new car. But I guess everyone has the preferences :

I came from Europe to the US and we only had manuals before. I got used to holding on to the shifter even in the autos. When I bought my first GLE, I used to leave a water bottle in the cup holder to act as a shifter. I guess just a habit really.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

Top speed of both of them is limited to 155. If you want to go that route then they are the same.

Getting to top speed m3 may be faster, I doubt anyone actually ran these cars 0-155, at least I haven't seen it.

Short distances 335 is quicker. Rolling eyes or not.

With f30/f80 there was never even a mention of that...because it wasn't even a drivers race. But with e90's it was. Which means that they were too close.

My personal experience, I beat m3's. I seen videos otherwise which weren't false either.

Let me say this again, I love e90/92 m3, I'm not hating on it. I'm stating reality.

Launching the e9X M3 is a bit tricky. But with rear tires aired down to 26-28psi, Euro MDM and then hit the throttle to the kickdown, it does a little mini launch control and dumps the clutches and I've done 0-60 in high 3's. I did a slow launch just rolled on to it the other day and had the dragy in the car and uphill did a 12.6 1/4 mile. Wish I would have launched it could have knocked half a sec off that. Driver mod on makes a big difference. I also has two n54 335's and no chance in keeping up with a properly driven e92 M3 straight line. If you did, congrats you found a clueless driver.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by GranitM5

I came from Europe to the US and we only had manuals before. I got used to holding on to the shifter even in the autos. When I bought my first GLE, I used to leave a water bottle in the cup holder to act as a shifter. I guess just a habit really.

I understand that, I just find it strange that people think of it as a "deal-breaker" because it isn't the worst thing in the world and will eventually just be forgotten/gotten use to.