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      12-13-2013, 11:01 AM   #309
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What if I got the F80 M3 and did an engine swap with my current E90 M3…..hmmm…. Food for thought!
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      12-13-2013, 11:08 AM   #310
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Well, deciding about driving in traffic is a personal decision, but I've only ever had manual cars and traffic never even comes up as a concern for me (and I live in DC, the worst traffic in the US according to latest poll).

Fun and engagement are my priorities, not the convenience that the DCT SEEMS to provide. Extra expense (very significant in my opinion) plus weight and complexity are counter to my priorities, and what I think are reasonable priorities as well.

This is an age old debate, but I will always advocate for manuals so that I can buy all of you guy's used cars (in manual) in the future! If you don't buy them new, Ill never be able to find them used (I can't afford a 40k car, much less this 80k m3).
You've been driving manuals all your life so it must be second nature to you, I've been driving manuals for the past 3 years and only sparingly in my friends cars or last weekend when I rented a Carerra 996.

Thing is, DCT really is FUN as opposed to what most people say you can have a blast driving paddle shifters, it's not just about 0-60 times, keeping both hands on the steering wheel at all times is also very very convenient. I also think it makes a great combo with the rev counter on the HUD (eyes always on the road, both hands always on the steering wheel). on the other hand driving a manual is much more rewarding and I would love to learn how to heel-toe.

Anyways, I'm getting a manual and I don't think I will regret it
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      12-13-2013, 11:20 AM   #311
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Yeah, but doesn't mean Michelin didn't make a set just for BMW.

guys, there's absolutely no chance that the M3/4 will have RFTs. I don't think any M car has ever had them (not sure about X5M/X6M... they might).
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      12-13-2013, 11:31 AM   #312
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guys, there's absolutely no chance that the M3/4 will have RFTs. I don't think any M car has ever had them (not sure about X5M/X6M... they might).
Nooooooooooooooooo wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I hate F'in RFT Won't happen
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      12-13-2013, 11:32 AM   #313
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guys, there's absolutely no chance that the M3/4 will have RFTs. I don't think any M car has ever had them (not sure about X5M/X6M... they might).
And that the DTM guys commented on that the tires were a bit soft in the tire wall is one further indication that the M3/M4 will stick to proper tires. Much can be said about RFTs but soft in the tire wall is not one of them. It is however a trait of the regular Michelin PSSs.
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      12-13-2013, 11:45 AM   #314
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Small remark: did anyone else notice how far to the right the i-drive controller is placed on the midcenter console? It looks like it's almost out of reach ?

I just happened to look to the Z4 thread (on bimmerpost homepage) and there the i-drive controller is place left of the middle of the center console...

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/goodiesfor...32_highRes.jpg
I find in person the iDrive control falls perfectly in hand in relation to my arm being on the arm rest and in between shifting.
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      12-13-2013, 11:57 AM   #315
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BMW can put full leather in an M3, but Audi can't do it on an RS7. Shame on Ingolstadt.

Glory to Garching.
It's actually shame on Audi North America, not Ingolstadt. You can spec full leather on the RS7 (and any Audi Exclusive customization of leather, deviated stitching, and alcantara) everywhere else in the world, except in the good ol' USofA. It is also Audi NA to thank why the first MY at least won't even have the DRC (Dynamic Ride Control) offered on the car everywhere else in the globe. Same reason (Audi NA + DOT) why we never got the true recaro buckets in the RS 4, R8, nor TT RS, though a bunch of us have found ways to do that through aftermarket channels.

Great to see the interior of the M3/M4 add a touch of luxury and distinction with the full leather. Does anyone know (Jason?) whether you can get full alcantara on the headliner and A/B/C pillars? From the photos it appears its the usual pantyhose-like anthracite fabric, hoping you can get the lavish feel just like in the well appointed M5/M6 cabin.
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I am stoked. THIS is the car I've been waiting for. I should be ready to buy just as the LCI drops. Just bought a B8.5 S4, so this will be the next car (unless of course they build a Pajun that's incredible). So many excellent options coming up.

FINALLY a proper interior. My S4 cabin crushes my LCI 335i I had before. Hoping the F30 M3 is a step up from the S4.
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      12-13-2013, 12:30 PM   #317
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It's actually shame on Audi North America, not Ingolstadt. You can spec full leather on the RS7 (and any Audi Exclusive customization of leather, deviated stitching, and alcantara) everywhere else in the world, except in the good ol' USofA.
I don't think this is correct. I went into the Audi Exclusive Center in Munich and the people there said no to Exclusive full leather on either RS6 or RS7.
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      12-13-2013, 12:53 PM   #318
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Not sure I understand your comment. Which do you think is better a RFT or non RFT?

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      12-13-2013, 01:05 PM   #319
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Not sure I understand your comment. Which do you think is better a RFT or non RFT?
Sorry, it was not a better or worse comment but RFTs have very stiff tire walls, it's needed to be able to drive the car on flat tires. So when the DTM guys commented to the BMW engineers that the tires were a bit soft in the tire wall it doesn't point to RFTs but the standard PSSs. I have the standard PSSs on my E90 M3 and they are hands down the best street tires I ever owned but when pushed to the limits they do feel just a bit soft so when the DTM guys are punishing the car around the ring I can understand the comment.

Regular tires are IMO way better than RFTs, no comparison. If it was RFTs the complaints would have been more and different.
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      12-13-2013, 01:12 PM   #320
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How are the owners of the current engines, N54, N55,etc. with high precision/direct injection doing for clean intake valves?
any issues with that over time?
Thoughts on that aspect of maintenance for the S55?
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      12-13-2013, 01:24 PM   #321
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BMW can put full leather in an M3, but Audi can't do it on an RS7. Shame on Ingolstadt.

Glory to Garching.
Too bad neither of these cars nor their engines will actually be built in Garching...
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Too bad neither of these cars nor their engines will actually be built in Garching...
Not an issue from my perspective. What's important is the design not which plant makes it. Further I believe more automated manufacturing facilities churn out better quality product.
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How are the owners of the current engines, N54, N55,etc. with high precision/direct injection doing for clean intake valves?
any issues with that over time?
Thoughts on that aspect of maintenance for the S55?
I had my intake valves walnut blasted at around the 60k mark. Here's what they looked like before and after:



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Yes in theory it is better balanced, but still it can become a problem. Just look at the s52 and m54 engines.

Edit: not saying it will become a problem at stock rpm limits. I'm talking more in terms of raising the redline for track engines.
Yes "theory" in a formal sense but not the way you mean it. The math and engineering say it is perfectly balanced and measurements confirm it, thus it is a theory but also fact. I read "in theory" from you sounding like you only believe it is a hypothesis, which is not correct.

Can you expand on the "issue" with s52 and m54 engines?

Again balance is almost for sure not going to be the problem when raising redlines on an I6.
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How are the owners of the current engines, N54, N55,etc. with high precision/direct injection doing for clean intake valves?
any issues with that over time?
Thoughts on that aspect of maintenance for the S55?
Will be doing my second walnut blasting in 50k miles, first was at 25k and was causing a misfire. I have an n54. Plan on it as a maintenance interval, the car will feel significantly more laggy when they are gunked up, but once they're squeaky clean it pulls just as hard as the day I bought the car.
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Yes "theory" in a formal sense but not the way you mean it. The math and engineering say it is perfectly balanced and measurements confirm it, thus it is a theory but also fact. I read "in theory" from you sounding like you only believe it is a hypothesis, which is not correct.

Can you expand on the "issue" with s52 and m54 engines?

Again balance is almost for sure not going to be the problem when raising redlines on an I6.
The s52 and m54 engines if I'm not mistaken share the same bore and stroke as the n55 and s55. They were both notorious for having their oil pump assembly fail after sustained 7k+ rpm use. The oil pump nut would simply fall off due to vibrations causing the chain and sprocket to go with it. A common fix is to either wire tie or weld the oil pump nut to the shaft. The s52 is more tolerant to vibrations since it has an iron block, so this "mod" generally works. However since the m54 is aluminum and therefore transmits more energy, it would still shear the sprocket off the shaft even though the nut was welded on. I'm just simply pointing out how nasty harmonics can cause failure in certain areas, even in a balanced engine like the I6.

Not saying the s55 will deal with these issues, but I just personally liked the "oversquare" idea better. IMO the internals (rods, pistons) will be bullet proof in the s55 and will NOT be a weak point on this car.
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What if I got the F80 M3 and did an engine swap with my current E90 M3..hmmm. Food for thought!
the short answer is slower, heavier, and less efficient.
but it will sound good!
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