Is anybody here considering the '15 AMG C-63 ?

dreamsongs · 11-17-2014, 11:49 AM

I've been reading a bit about it.... and at 509 HP and 519 torque for the S version it's worth a look or a test drive don't you think ?

JoeFromPA · 11-17-2014, 11:52 AM

Most cars are worth a test drive. Frankly, I'm excited just to test drive a new C-class at all because it looks to be such a wonderful evolution from past C-class's.

Buy one? Not at this time. I won't even consider buying a car that doesn't at least offer a manual transmission. Call me old school, but that's one of the reasons I went for an M3.

brianeck · 11-17-2014, 11:53 AM

At this point in my life no manual means I'm not considering it.

dreamsongs · 11-17-2014, 11:55 AM

Now we need to hear from the DCT guys.....

Reid · 11-17-2014, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamsongs

I've been reading a bit about it.... and at 509 HP and 519 torque for the S version it's worth a look or a test drive don't you think ?

I had considered adding a C63-S to the stable, but there's no option for a European delivery since the North American cars will be built in Alabama.

However, I would never get a C63 over a M3/4 unless you are only concerned with straight line speed.

gblansten · 11-17-2014, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamsongs

Now we need to hear from the DCT guys.....

It's a shame that the C63 won't even have a DCT.

gblansten · 11-17-2014, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reid

I had considered adding a C63-S to the stable, but there's no option for a European delivery since the North American cars will be built in Alabama.

However, I would never get a C63 over a M3/4 unless you are only concerned with straight line speed.

C63 will not be built in Amaerica. Correct me if I am wrong.

dreamsongs · 11-17-2014, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gblansten

It's a shame that the C63 won't even have a DCT.

But they will have their own DCT and I'm sure it will be as good as the M4 for this model.

Also the 2 door will follow soon after, it might be stiff competition for the M's....

gblansten · 11-17-2014, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamsongs

But they will have their own DCT and I'm sure it will be as good as the M4 for this model.

Also the 2 door will follow soon after, it might be stiff competition for the M's....

I do not believe it will have a DCT. I read it was an MCT.

solstice · 11-17-2014, 12:20 PM

Benz put hydraulic steering in the AMG GT! It caught my attention more than anything else going on right now. However if there is no MT or at least a DCT on the level with the M DCT it's a no go and weight need to come down. But it's obvious that Benz is sharpening their tools and the success in F1 with both engine and chassi should trickle down to some extent. I'm very curious of the next generation past the new C63 in 7-8 years from now. Do they want to close the gap to BMW with controversial choices as the steering choice in the GT signals or will they stay loyal to traditional Benz buyers with heavy, blingy cars with comfort transmissions? One thing is sure, Benz is on a roll and is now appearing on my radar. Small blip but it's there.

dreamsongs · 11-17-2014, 12:30 PM

They're finally heading in the right direction. But if I had an M4 right now I wouldn't look back like some of you guys who are already all in.

My timeline for placing an order will be around April next year and do the ED for maybe August. I'm interested in guys like me who haven't yet placed their order.

Are these guys now considering the Benz or not hesitating at all and still going for the M car. I've had 6 Bimmers including 2 M cars and one AMG back in the 80's.

Although I'm a big BMW fan, I think it's always wise to consider all options and the C63 AMG is definitely a contender....

dkhm3 · 11-17-2014, 12:31 PM

I had prev gen c63 for 3 years. it was solid and pretty much bulletproof. if mb continues with their same philosophy it will be pretty sweet but probably have these negatives:

1. no dct- no matter what they say about the new tranny it will not be as good. (but i do remember the new amg gt having a dct?)

2. rear fenders are not wide enough- very tail happy

3. more luxurious and less performance driven - i.e. there is no center shift column (based on the pics i saw)

it will probably be faster in the straights and have a glorious sounding turbo v8. pretty tough decision, but the looks isn't doing it for me. don't like the rear - too narrow and egg shaped.

JTO24 · 11-17-2014, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dkhm3

I had prev gen c63 for 3 years. it was solid and pretty much bulletproof. if mb continues with their same philosophy it will be pretty sweet but probably have these negatives:

1. no dct- no matter what they say about the new tranny it will not be as good. (but i do remember the new amg gt having a dct?)

2. rear fenders are not wide enough- very tail happy

3. more luxurious and less performance driven - i.e. there is no center shift column (based on the pics i saw)

it will probably be faster in the straights and have a glorious sounding turbo v8. pretty tough decision, but the looks isn't doing it for me. don't like the rear - too narrow and egg shaped.

I echo these thoughts minus having owned a prior gen C63. I'll test drive it but the lack of rear fender flares and the trans are big deterrents.

gthal · 11-17-2014, 12:41 PM

I'm definitely going to consider it in the next couple of years... why would anyone not?

Having said that, I have owned a 2012 C63 and, as great as that car is, I never really fell in love with it like I have my M's. The engine was glorious. The sound was glorious. It was stupid fast. It handled way better than most M owners want to give it credit... yet for some reason, I never felt the same about it as I did my E92 M3 or my F82 M4. Hard to explain really.

A couple of thoughts... the sedan design is a little too round for my taste. Maybe the coupe version will be better. The interior is awesome. Wish there was more fender flare and the car appeared wider. Really, really, really wish it had a DCT. That might have swayed me enough to try another C63 but the MCT transmission was not up to par with the DCT. Maybe that's part of the reason I never fell in love? Maybe there is just something about the way M cars feel to drive that is different and speaks to me personally? I don't know. I can say that I did fall in love, so to speak, with my C7 Corvette and if I didn't need 4 seats, I would still own it.

dreamsongs · 11-17-2014, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gthal

I'm definitely going to consider it in the next couple of years... why would anyone not?

Having said that, I have owned a 2012 C63 and, as great as that car is, I never really fell in love with it like I have my M's. The engine was glorious. The sound was glorious. It was stupid fast. It handled way better than most M owners want to give it credit... yet for some reason, I never felt the same about it as I did my E92 M3 or my F82 M4. Hard to explain really.

A couple of thoughts... the sedan design is a little too round for my taste. Maybe the coupe version will be better. The interior is awesome. Wish there was more fender flare and the car appeared wider. Really, really, really wish it had a DCT. That might have swayed me enough to try another C63 but the MCT transmission was not up to par with the DCT. Maybe that's part of the reason I never fell in love? Maybe there is just something about the way M cars feel to drive that is different and speaks to me personally? I don't know. I can say that I did fall in love, so to speak, with my C7 Corvette and if I didn't need 4 seats, I would still own it.

The new Stingray is also on my radar not to mention the Z51. That's a fucking beast....

gthal · 11-17-2014, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamsongs

The new Stingray is also on my radar not to mention the Z51. That's a fucking beast....

Yep... best car I've ever owned in terms of pure performance. If I didn't need to have a back seat, I would own a C7 Z06 for the same $$ as my M4

gblansten · 11-17-2014, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gthal

I'm definitely going to consider it in the next couple of years... why would anyone not?

Having said that, I have owned a 2012 C63 and, as great as that car is, I never really fell in love with it like I have my M's. The engine was glorious. The sound was glorious. It was stupid fast. It handled way better than most M owners want to give it credit... yet for some reason, I never felt the same about it as I did my E92 M3 or my F82 M4. Hard to explain really.

A couple of thoughts... the sedan design is a little too round for my taste. Maybe the coupe version will be better. The interior is awesome. Wish there was more fender flare and the car appeared wider. Really, really, really wish it had a DCT. That might have swayed me enough to try another C63 but the MCT transmission was not up to par with the DCT. Maybe that's part of the reason I never fell in love? Maybe there is just something about the way M cars feel to drive that is different and speaks to me personally? I don't know. I can say that I did fall in love, so to speak, with my C7 Corvette and if I didn't need 4 seats, I would still own it.

As a former C63 driver I agree with your comments completely on the C63.

dkhm3 · 11-17-2014, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gthal

I'm definitely going to consider it in the next couple of years... why would anyone not?

Having said that, I have owned a 2012 C63 and, as great as that car is, I never really fell in love with it like I have my M's. The engine was glorious. The sound was glorious. It was stupid fast. It handled way better than most M owners want to give it credit... yet for some reason, I never felt the same about it as I did my E92 M3 or my F82 M4. Hard to explain really.

A couple of thoughts... the sedan design is a little too round for my taste. Maybe the coupe version will be better. The interior is awesome. Wish there was more fender flare and the car appeared wider. Really, really, really wish it had a DCT. That might have swayed me enough to try another C63 but the MCT transmission was not up to par with the DCT. Maybe that's part of the reason I never fell in love? Maybe there is just something about the way M cars feel to drive that is different and speaks to me personally? I don't know. I can say that I did fall in love, so to speak, with my C7 Corvette and if I didn't need 4 seats, I would still own it.

i remember u from mb world.

I think the answer for me was that the c never gave you the driving confidence you got with the m. It was put together well, but was not as tight, did not give you as much chassis feedback, and the engine sounded scary and it often did end up scaring u from pushing it past 8/10's

dreamsongs · 11-17-2014, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gthal

Yep... best car I've ever owned in terms of pure performance. If I didn't need to have a back seat, I would own a C7 Z06 for the same $$ as my M4

I'm surprised to hear you say that. A Z06 over the M4 ?

Now I really want to hear why....

phoenx · 11-17-2014, 01:01 PM

If that c63 wagon made it stateside, id get one! But for now the f80 is the only thing on my radar.

JoeFromPA · 11-17-2014, 01:03 PM

I also think at that stage more power does not enamor me without supporting traction. I can tune the m3 and get pretty darn close to those peak Hp/tq #s from the C63. So what? I'm at the limits of traction at stock power levels for the most part without investing in a much shorter-lived tire compound that wouldn't be as good in the wet or down to 40 degrees outside.

I hate to say it but unless M really finds a way to improve RWD traction i think for me after this generation (i.e. 5+ years from now) it's:

- Go rear engined 911 for the straight line traction advantage
- Go AWD

I just can't see increasing power beyond the current level at this traction level too....M needs to combat this, which I'm sure they are able too....

Falafel Combo · 11-17-2014, 01:06 PM

Honestly, no. Never considered it. I've always seen myself as a BMW guy. Despite the largely botched f30 launch. They seemed to have redeemed themselves with the f80.

Don't really see myself driving a Merc either at my tender age.

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dreamsongs First Lieutenant 142 Rep 356 Posts Drives: E46 M3 - E92 M3 - 335i vert Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	They're finally heading in the right direction. But if I had an M4 right now I wouldn't look back like some of you guys who are already all in. My timeline for placing an order will be around April next year and do the ED for maybe August. I'm interested in guys like me who haven't yet placed their order. Are these guys now considering the Benz or not hesitating at all and still going for the M car. I've had 6 Bimmers including 2 M cars and one AMG back in the 80's. Although I'm a big BMW fan, I think it's always wise to consider all options and the C63 AMG is definitely a contender....
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dkhm3 Brigadier General 1881 Rep 3,341 Posts Drives: 991.2 GT3 2020 X3MC Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Orange County iTrader: (0)	I had prev gen c63 for 3 years. it was solid and pretty much bulletproof. if mb continues with their same philosophy it will be pretty sweet but probably have these negatives: 1. no dct- no matter what they say about the new tranny it will not be as good. (but i do remember the new amg gt having a dct?) 2. rear fenders are not wide enough- very tail happy 3. more luxurious and less performance driven - i.e. there is no center shift column (based on the pics i saw) it will probably be faster in the straights and have a glorious sounding turbo v8. pretty tough decision, but the looks isn't doing it for me. don't like the rear - too narrow and egg shaped. __________________ Currently: 2018 GT3 2020 X3MC Previously: 1999 M3 2002 M3 2005 S4 2008 C63 2015 M3 2016 X5M 2019 911S
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gthal Major General 1903 Rep 5,678 Posts Drives: 2018 340i xDrive Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Canada iTrader: (2)	I'm definitely going to consider it in the next couple of years... why would anyone not? Having said that, I have owned a 2012 C63 and, as great as that car is, I never really fell in love with it like I have my M's. The engine was glorious. The sound was glorious. It was stupid fast. It handled way better than most M owners want to give it credit... yet for some reason, I never felt the same about it as I did my E92 M3 or my F82 M4. Hard to explain really. A couple of thoughts... the sedan design is a little too round for my taste. Maybe the coupe version will be better. The interior is awesome. Wish there was more fender flare and the car appeared wider. Really, really, really wish it had a DCT. That might have swayed me enough to try another C63 but the MCT transmission was not up to par with the DCT. Maybe that's part of the reason I never fell in love? Maybe there is just something about the way M cars feel to drive that is different and speaks to me personally? I don't know. I can say that I did fall in love, so to speak, with my C7 Corvette and if I didn't need 4 seats, I would still own it. __________________ 2020 X3 M40i \| Black \| Current DD 2020 C8 Corvette \| Z51 \| Torch Red ... built and waiting for delivery 2016 M2 \| Long Beach Blue \| 6MT 2015 M4 \| Austin Yellow \| DCT 2012 MB C63AMG \| 2011 E92 M3 \| 2010 E92 M3
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JoeFromPA Colonel 1792 Rep 2,995 Posts Drives: '15 AW M3 6MT Stripper Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: SE PA iTrader: (0)	I also think at that stage more power does not enamor me without supporting traction. I can tune the m3 and get pretty darn close to those peak Hp/tq #s from the C63. So what? I'm at the limits of traction at stock power levels for the most part without investing in a much shorter-lived tire compound that wouldn't be as good in the wet or down to 40 degrees outside. I hate to say it but unless M really finds a way to improve RWD traction i think for me after this generation (i.e. 5+ years from now) it's: - Go rear engined 911 for the straight line traction advantage - Go AWD I just can't see increasing power beyond the current level at this traction level too....M needs to combat this, which I'm sure they are able too....
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