APR Stg1 RS3 Sedan 10.55@127mph 1/4 mile

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by doberzus

Traded it for a Focus LOL.

Nice.

I'd like to know what your thoughts are on the TTRS and Focus RS vs the old f8x.

pluses and minuses.

sorry I am jacking the thread.

on a related note there are 2 guys with RS3's around me that I run into, one white and one that orange color. It is a good looker, much better than the s3 or a3 that I have seen, looks like Audi did a proper job with it and has a DCT as well. Interior is really meh to me though, really ugly ac vents won't age well.

I haven't been able to find much actual lap time info on the reviews I have seen, or on fastestlaps.com- I wonder how it will do once you push the awd and front heavy chassis around... Will it be like most RS cars from before?

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Got one coming in December . Will keep it stock though...

I am anxiously waiting for your review.

color?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

I am anxiously waiting for your review.

color?

Daytona grey:

[F80Moe]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Daytona grey:

Nice color choice

Is there a sports exhaust option?

[quattr0]

Originally Posted by doberzus

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-Now-Available!

Not an RS3, but close. Bone stock 2018 TTRS, with just Stage 1+ ECU tune runs 10.9@129. Another member was able to replicate a similar 10.9@125 on his bone stock TTRS with this same tune.

Heres the other members link for the 10.9@125:
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ime-to-go-fast

I love this car, I cannot say it's better or worse than the two F80's I had. It however is a MONSTER bone stock.

Burgertuning has already confirmed they are in the works on developing the BMS JB1/JB4 for the RS3/TTRS platform.

STUPID fast is best word I can use to describe this thing.

Youve missed the tt-rs that did 10.27 w stage 1, downpipes and weight reduction.

People r getting new rs3 w 3k off. Im going to wait for a low mileage TT-RS/RS3. Gotta tune the 991.2 first. No reason to rush ;-)

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by F80Moe

Nice color choice

Is there a sports exhaust option?

Yes, we ticked that box

The RS3 really sounds good

[Liquid2.0T]

What is BMW's answer to the RS3? I don't think the M2 CS will be able to touch it, or will it?

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by Liquid2.0T

What is BMW's answer to the RS3? I don't think the M2 CS will be able to touch it, or will it?

Straight line probably not. Road course definitely.

[F80Moe]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Yes, we ticked that box

The RS3 really sounds good

Yeah that 5cyl definitely sounds exotic

[F80Moe]

Originally Posted by Liquid2.0T

What is BMW's answer to the RS3? I don't think the M2 CS will be able to touch it, or will it?

Hope they offer it with a manual transmission

[doberzus]

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...is-here!/page9

More details in this thread with 1/4 mile time slips and what APR did for that 10.55 run.

Either way, this is going to be a 9 second car with more mods and development.

[F80Moe]

“We visited our local drag strip, Montgomery Motorsport Park, to test the factory software vs our development software for the 2.5 TFSI found in our RS3 Sedan. In terms of engine / performance hardware, we tested our software only, leaving items such as the intake, exhaust, intercooler, fueling and more completely stock. The vehicle was equipped with Toyo R888 tires for added grip. Please Note: Date/Time stamps are 55 minutes ahead of the actual time.

First, we ran the stock tune on 93 octane, full weight (DA: ~600 FT):

11.85@113.30
11.86@113.26
11.97@112.42

Next, we flashed the ECU to our development Stage 1 tune on 93 octane, full weight (DA ~800 FT):

11.13@119.68
11.15@119.09
11.15@118.73

Satisfied with these results we added ethanol from the pump and switched to our development Stage 1 ethanol tune and ran full weight for a single pass (DA: ~125 FT):

10.76@125.61

Lastly we put the RS3 on a 5 minute track diet, pulling the seats, saving around 150 lbs (DA: ~100 FT):

10.55@127.62
10.58@126.63
10.62@127.58”

So:
Stage 1 tune
Ethanol
Toyo R888

Ran 10.76@125.61MPH

150lbs weight reduction:

Ran 10.55@127.62MPH

Wonder what it would do with additional hardware!

[Vectors2final]

The MQB platform in general is a showstopper.


Say what you want, but those are some fun cars to tinker with. Almost makes me want to keep my Golf R.

One of my old Soldiers has his 2015 GTI in the 9s, he recently separated and got a job with APR.

[JoeFromPA]

cliff notes version: A rs3 on pump gas with no modifications but a stage 1 tune & track tires, should run the following-

11.13@119.68
11.15@119.09
11.15@118.73

I'll note that in terms of trap speed (i.e. "raw power") this is about what a DCT f8x will run stock with no tune and on factory tires. Great show of the traction advantage of the rs3 vs. f8x.

I think this also shows that with some basic bolt-on modifications, the rs3 should be a high 10 second car on street tires and pump fuel.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by JoeFromPA

cliff notes version: A rs3 on pump gas with no modifications but a stage 1 tune & track tires, should run the following-

11.13@119.68
11.15@119.09
11.15@118.73

I'll note that in terms of trap speed (i.e. "raw power") this is about what a DCT f8x will run stock with no tune and on factory tires. Great show of the traction advantage of the rs3 vs. f8x.

I think this also shows that with some basic bolt-on modifications, the rs3 should be a high 10 second car on street tires and pump fuel.

Hi, new here but have been a read-only user for a while.

I don’t quite agree on this. I do not think you can compare times across all drag strips equally. Not only are there variables in density altitude, etc. the trap speeds will vary as well with the same car on one versus another. For example, there are others with just a Unitronic tune in 91 octane running 11.1@125 mph with full weight and stock tires. That was at Naperville. I have also seen an M4 in Florida only run 11.2@125 with drag radials, JB4 on map 6, downpipes and full exhaust, intake, and 109 race gas. I’m not sure how much go that makes but based on the time vs the Unitronic RS they are about equal but I’d venture to say the M4 makes much more hp.
My point being, unless you know traps for an M3 or 4 at Montgomery where the RS3 was tested it is not truly comparable. Times done by Car and Drvier recently show the RS3 to be an 11.9@117 mph car stock doing 0-100 in 8.7 and 150 in 22.8 which are both quicker than some of the initial M3 DCT tests (e.g. 150 was 23.3 sec).
Either way, it looks like these new RS3 and TTRS cars are going to be good tuning machine from a solid stock platform and based on the videos sound like a version of the V10 from the R8 and Huracan.

[JoeFromPA]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

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I don’t quite agree on this. I do not think you can compare times across all drag strips equally. Not only are there variables in density altitude, etc. the trap speeds will vary as well with the same car on one versus another. For example, there are others with just a Unitronic tune in 91 octane running 11.1@125 mph with full weight and stock tires. That was at Naperville. I have also seen an M4 in Florida only run 11.2@125 with drag radials, JB4 on map 6, downpipes and full exhaust, intake, and 109 race gas. I’m not sure how much go that makes but based on the time vs the Unitronic RS they are about equal but I’d venture to say the M4 makes much more hp.

My point being, unless you know traps for an M3 or 4 at Montgomery where the RS3 was tested it is not truly comparable. Times done by Car and Drvier recently show the RS3 to be an 11.9@117 mph car stock doing 0-100 in 8.7 and 150 in 22.8 which are both quicker than some of the initial M3 DCT tests (e.g. 150 was 23.3 sec)..

I don't disagree with your point - I'm trying to assess based on limited information.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

Hi, new here but have been a read-only user for a while.

I don’t quite agree on this. I do not think you can compare times across all drag strips equally. Not only are there variables in density altitude, etc. the trap speeds will vary as well with the same car on one versus another. For example, there are others with just a Unitronic tune in 91 octane running 11.1@125 mph with full weight and stock tires. That was at Naperville. I have also seen an M4 in Florida only run 11.2@125 with drag radials, JB4 on map 6, downpipes and full exhaust, intake, and 109 race gas. I’m not sure how much go that makes but based on the time vs the Unitronic RS they are about equal but I’d venture to say the M4 makes much more hp.
My point being, unless you know traps for an M3 or 4 at Montgomery where the RS3 was tested it is not truly comparable. Times done by Car and Drvier recently show the RS3 to be an 11.9@117 mph car stock doing 0-100 in 8.7 and 150 in 22.8 which are both quicker than some of the initial M3 DCT tests (e.g. 150 was 23.3 sec).
Either way, it looks like these new RS3 and TTRS cars are going to be good tuning machine from a solid stock platform and based on the videos sound like a version of the V10 from the R8 and Huracan.

Since we own/will own both, an M4 and an RS3, I have no particular bias. The RS3 launches like a bat out of hell and is able to do it consistently, that is where the RS3 main strength resides. On the other hand, you have to get it "just right" in excellent conditions to get a good launch on the F8X. However, from a roll, the F8X will walk the RS3. The F8X has more top end pull than an RS3, there is no disputing this.

Car & Driver test results:
Speed -> RS3 -> M4 -> M3
0- 60 -> 3.5 -> 3.7 -> 3.8
0-100 -> 8.7 -> 8.5 -> 8.5
0-130 -> 15.4 -> 14.5 -> 14.5
0-150 -> 22.8 -> 20.8 -> 20.8

60-100 -> 5.2 -> 4.8 -> 4.7
100-130 -> 6.7 -> 6.0 -> 6.0
130-150 -> 7.4 -> 6.3 -> 6.3

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Since we own/will own both, an M4 and an RS3, I have no particular bias. The RS3 launches like a bat out of hell and is able to do it consistently, that is where the RS3 main strength resides. On the other hand, you have to get it "just right" in excellent conditions to get a good launch on the F8X. However, from a roll, the F8X will walk the RS3. The F8X has more top end pull than an RS3, there is no disputing this.

Car & Driver test results:
Speed -> RS3 -> M4 -> M3
0- 60 -> 3.5 -> 3.7 -> 3.8
0-100 -> 8.7 -> 8.5 -> 8.5
0-130 -> 15.4 -> 14.5 -> 14.5
0-150 -> 22.8 -> 20.8 -> 20.8

60-100 -> 5.2 -> 4.8 -> 4.7
100-130 -> 6.7 -> 6.0 -> 6.0
130-150 -> 7.4 -> 6.3 -> 6.3

How the hell did they manage a 3.7 0-60 in an M4? All the tests of the ZCP/DCT F8x have it at 3.9-4.1. I had all sorts of trouble with consistency on the F80. It's a roll monster for sure!

I wonder how the 290LB lighter TTRS would fare? I am sure it can hit 0-60 in 3.3. A couple of forum members have been getting 11.5-11.7@118-119 out of there stock TTRS.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by doberzus

How the hell did they manage a 3.7 0-60 in an M4? All the tests of the ZCP/DCT F8x have it at 3.9-4.1. I had all sorts of trouble with consistency on the F80. It's a roll monster for sure!

I wonder how the 290LB lighter TTRS would fare? I am sure it can hit 0-60 in 3.3. A couple of forum members have been getting 11.5-11.7@118-119 out of there stock TTRS.

That's because the ZCP is slower

Kidding aside, you need to have a perfect scenario to get a good launch with the F8X. Doodling with a friends V-box to test launch control a few years back, I was able to get a few 3.8 0-60mph runs excluding a one-foot roll-out as C&D do. I did a quick burn-out to clean and warm the tires and used launch control set at the lowest RPM on a clean patch of road.

It is practically impossible to achieve during regular driving though. With the RS3, you can use LC at any stop light and a get consistent quick launches.

[blschaefer1]

Originally Posted by doberzus

How the hell did they manage a 3.7 0-60 in an M4? All the tests of the ZCP/DCT F8x have it at 3.9-4.1. I had all sorts of trouble with consistency on the F80. It's a roll monster for sure!

I wonder how the 290LB lighter TTRS would fare? I am sure it can hit 0-60 in 3.3. A couple of forum members have been getting 11.5-11.7@118-119 out of there stock TTRS.

Car and Driver and some other mags apply an alogorithm to weather correct the actual measured results to a particular temperature and humidity etc. I think C&D corrects to 60 degrees F, whereas Motor Trend does 77 degrees.

I’m sure there is huge variability to the accuracy of these calculations depending on the car, forced induction, etc.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by blschaefer1

Car and Driver and some other mags apply an alogorithm to weather correct the actual measured results to a particular temperature and humidity etc. I think C&D corrects to 60 degrees F, whereas Motor Trend does 77 degrees.

I’m sure there is huge variability to the accuracy of these calculations depending on the car, forced induction, etc.

The correction factors are indicated in the links I posted. They are rather small for all of the 3 cars I listed.

[blschaefer1]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

The correction factors are indicated in the links I posted. They are rather small for all of the 3 cars I listed.

Interesting, thanks. What links are you referring to?