evo Magazine Supertest: M4 CP vs RS5 vs C63 S

ORIGIN M. · 11-08-2017, 04:58 PM

All three are overweight pigs /

///MPE · 11-08-2017, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 613Bimmer

Kinda surprised about the mention of poor cabin build quality in the C63S... isn't the cabin what it's usually praised for among the competition?

Just for looks, bad leather quality, squeaks, plastic

BwoodBMW · 11-08-2017, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ///MPE

Well if you think the C63 and the RS5 is on the same level you havent driven both.

For what its worth I watched a video review the other day between these two where the AMG won.... that motor in the AMG is a monster.

Powaup · 11-08-2017, 05:41 PM

Common man. Spoiler alert

it's ok tho thx for sharing

rr006rbc · 11-08-2017, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Parabolica

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Originally Posted by ///MPE

Well if you think the C63 and the RS5 is on the same level you havent driven both.

Agreed. Neither the AMG nor the RS5 are on the same level as M4 CP.

Jesus. Fanboy level 9000. I️ drive an M3 and I don't even say that..

TheBingoBalls · 11-08-2017, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GMe90

Is it me, or has BMW started to fare a lot better in car comparisons recently? Back in 2012-2015, all the car magazines were talking trash about BMWs. Now, BMW is winning again. Makes me wonder if BMW started buying magazine ads again.

Or BMW started to gain more positive reviews with the ZCP/CS because they do in fact make the M3/M4 drive more like you would expect it to.

M2audioman · 11-08-2017, 06:08 PM

The M4 CP is a boat. I absolutely hated driving it. Hence why I ended up with my M2.

Never driven the RS5, but the C63 is amazing. Feels lighter than it really is and the interior is far nicer than the BMW. The C63 > M4 CP to me in terms of sheer driving pleasure.

The Audi has the best interior IMO, but no idea how it drives...yet.

BwoodBMW · 11-08-2017, 06:14 PM

Yeah I love BMWs but the new RS5 has my interest peaked for sure for my next car. Won't be a new M3 yet by the time I'm buying and not really interested in another one. RS5 from all of the reviews seems to be an absolute rocket with better around-the-town comfort (which means less track ability). Given I've driven my M3 absolutely 0% of the time on the track it seems to make sense if it lives up to the hype in a test drive.

M3 Adjuster · 11-08-2017, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GMe90

Is it me, or has BMW started to fare a lot better in car comparisons recently? Back in 2012-2015, all the car magazines were talking trash about BMWs. Now, BMW is winning again. Makes me wonder if BMW started buying magazine ads again.

myzmak · 11-08-2017, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicken_Joe

Why is there no 911 in there 🤔

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Originally Posted by clbmw

Because BMW have no competitor to it

Can you imagine 911 vs new baby R8 vs entry level GT vs M4 ?!

Au contraire mes amis:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1433090

911 GTS v M4 CS

(M4 lost - Zut alors!

)

Chicken_Joe · 11-08-2017, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by (((myzmak)))

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Originally Posted by Chicken_Joe

Why is there no 911 in there 🤔

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Originally Posted by clbmw

Because BMW have no competitor to it

Can you imagine 911 vs new baby R8 vs entry level GT vs M4 ?!

Au contraire mes amis:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1433090

911 GTS v M4 CS

(M4 lost - Zut alors!

)

Of course it lost lol

jackaleyess · 11-08-2017, 07:18 PM

Who cares if C63s is in the last place, if i can afford then C63s sedan is the car for me. Sadly, i gotta work harder and settle with my Q50 for the next 7-8 years

mkoesel · 11-08-2017, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss330

His statement was a direct response to your post where you talked about all three brands.

He specifically compared only the RS5 and C63 in the post I replied to. Its reads pretty clear - I don't see any ambiguity there.

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And if it was meant to be just about the RS and AMG, I certainly couldnt see that he implied that the RS5 was the better car?

Again I don't really see any ambiguity in what he said. At any rate, you’ll have to trust me on this one - the way I interpreted it was exactly how it was intended. Sometimes there’s a history you don’t see when you come into a thread after the fact.

The question remains though: is the car actually real, Snappy Phoenix?

IB M · 11-08-2017, 08:40 PM

BMW created this category of car in the 1980s and has been the class leader ever since. Glad that the others joined the party to liven it up a bit and keep BMW focused but let's not forget that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.

Red Bread · 11-08-2017, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by IB M

BMW created this category of car in the 1980s and has been the class leader ever since. Glad that the others joined the party to liven it up a bit and keep BMW focused but let's not forget that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.

You sure about that? 190E 2.3-16 was actually first to market and a response to the UR Quattro which preceded it.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/merc...vs-bmw-m3/amp/

Arcades · 11-08-2017, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mkoesel

The question remains though: is the car actually real, Snappy Phoenix?

No, nothing is real mkoesel. Everything is in the Matrix.

We don't technically exist.

Red Bread · 11-08-2017, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcades

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Originally Posted by mkoesel

The question remains though: is the car actually real, Snappy Phoenix?

No, nothing is real mkoesel. Everything is in the Matrix.

We don't technically exist.

I'm actually feeling a bit of that right now. How have I never seen that E30 M3s had this weird rear roof section grafted on?! I have a friend with one, I've driven a few and when my dad had a 2.3-16 we looked at them numerous times. Bizarre.

nicknaz · 11-08-2017, 10:12 PM

I'm surprised by the 0-100mph time of the C63S. I thought from other tests that car was a straightline beast

Nice work by EVO testing cars with similar commuter tires (i.e. no advantage for M4 from its Cup2 tires)

Can anyone give me a tl;dr on whether the any of the 3 were flagged as having understeer or overheat issues?

StatenEye · 11-08-2017, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jackaleyess

Who cares if C63s is in the last place, if i can afford then C63s sedan is the car for me. Sadly, i gotta work harder and settle with my Q50 for the next 7-8 years

Get rid of that and get a Civic. Cut down the wait time. No point in driving an inbetweener and wasting money on something you really don't care for.. Either get the car you want or get the cheapest thing you can stand until you're in a suitable position to obtain the car you desire. I've been in your position and regret leasing certain in between 300hp cars.

phoenixbmwlife · 11-08-2017, 10:25 PM

Sure that's a ZCP? Those are not Competition Wheels.

Turkish Pickle · 11-08-2017, 11:34 PM

don't care about the verdict - one thing for sure though, they literally picked the ugliest colors for all three.
that green is too dark (maybe its the weather), blue looks okay but I'd picked the silver/dark gray
and who in their right mind gets a M4 in black?

itf joegun · 11-08-2017, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by phoenixbmwlife

Sure that's a ZCP? Those are not Competition Wheels.

Those 19 inch wheels are an option even for the M4 CP. And a very nice one, if you ask me...

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