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Might be a good procedure to follow to help keep the car stable when going into P?
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I rented a Mercedes a while ago and I literally couldn't figure out how to back the car up to leave the rental place. There was no gear selector on the console. The gear selector looked just like a turn signal stalk or a windshield wiper stalk which was at a 45 degree angle above the wiper stalk. It was because I wasn't used to it. Never had a problem after that, once I figured out what I had to do.
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06-26-2018, 07:00 AM | #92 |
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This post is so funny. Amazes me how people cannot, or maybe will not learn anything new. This isn't 1950, MOVE ON!
The park process is the simplest I have ever had in a car. It works perfect. Come to stop, pull parking brake, shut off engine, DONE! BMW just needs its buyers to pass a simple IQ test before they let anyone buy an M. HAHA |
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No, your steps are not simple. This is simple (from my non-inspiring dual clutch PDK /s) 1. Pull into your garage or parking space 2. Put the car in Park. |
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06-26-2018, 11:19 PM | #94 | |
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My wife accidentally hit the gas pedal while she tried to reach for my coat at the back seat. I was getting out of the car with my one foot on the ground. The car dragged me for about five feet and it totally re-aggravated my knee problem. One positive is my wife is totally traumatized and hates the M4 so much. The car is all mine now. |
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I dunno, maybe Porsches are that different...
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Rule #1: After parking the car, always secure it before doing anything else, including reaching for your husband's coat in the back seat...
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First time driving a non-M of the current 3-series generation. Whatever type of torque converter auto transmission it had, while the gear selector had a P button, it did switch to P on its own when I shut down the engine while in D. While overall probably a decent car, and on par with its class, I thought the 320i was pretty disappointing to drive. Can't believe that the 320i and my M3 are fundamentally the same. I've never driven a DCT M3, but can see how having an auto transmission in the M3 would be nice at times. Generally easier to get around, especially in stop-and-go traffic, and can just focus on steering and braking. |
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The ZF in the F30 are designed more for street driving with a hint of sport. There isn't much to the transmission other than, it's a very typical... normal ZF Auto you'll find in other cars. Almost all ZFs are the same, regardless if M got their hands on it. M-DCT is different than most transmissions, even compared to other DCTs as it is designed to mimic a 6MT. 15-16 M-DCTs were very rough, Sport+ was near impossible to drive smoothly on the street, only after a lot of firmware updates did this get smoothed out. Obviously the other difference is the parking feature, which I love being the way it is with the F80/F82. The main reason why so many online complain about this is because they have 0 experience with manual and how they are generally put into park. You always use the handbrake first. Once you do this, the rest isn't a problem. This is not difficult. |
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07-08-2018, 07:05 AM | #102 |
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This sounds right. Love the DCT as its intuitive for manual drivers. And so much better than the S-Tronic dual clutch in the previous gen Audi S4.
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07-08-2018, 11:50 AM | #103 |
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This is BMWs way of classifying the DCT as "manual" car. No park button, just stop, pull handbrake and turn off the car. Makes finding a real manual car frustrating as hell when you filter for manuals and DCTs are grouped into into that.
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I had a 991.1 with PDK and have driven other dual clutch vehicles (e92 M3, 991.2, McLaren 650S, Audi TTS, etc). How is the F80 DCT more like a manual than those other dual clutch transmissions? All those other dual clutches similarly behaved differently than a torque converter auto, and one can hear/feel clutch engagement, etc, but I don't recall them being so different in terms of fundamental operation. Yes, perhaps in how quickly/abruptly they shifted, and pattern of shifting, but not in how they engaged, behaved at slow speed, etc. Interesting to hear that the F80 DCT is somehow closer to a manual than other dual clutches, and would like to hear more about that. Last edited by eonflux; 07-08-2018 at 06:21 PM.. |
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M-DCT for the F80/F82 do not do this at all. They do not roll forward from a dead stop, in fact you can tell when the clutch in the M-DCT lets go and in a technical sense goes into Neutral unless you put your foot back down or you press the Gas again where the transmission reingages. My older 15 M4, I can actually feel the M-DCT do it but I cannot tell as easily with my 18 M3. The M-DCT also has a hold function for hills, that lasts for maybe 2 seconds give or take otherwise it'll start rolling forward or back given the road conditions. The more you drive the M-DCT, the more you can tell BMW purposely did this with the M-DCT to mimic as much of the 6MT as possible. The only thing I would tell new drivers about the M-DCT is, think of it literally as a Automatic 6MT. I taught the buyer of my 15' M4 in a few minutes how to park the car, he never been in one nor driven a M-DCT before and he got it down within minutes. I never heard from him having issues parking. When it comes to just straight technical sense, yes all DCTs are the same, more or less anyway. PDK, DSG, M-DCT, VW DCT, even the Benz DCT, technology wise they are the same. It's just the different ways that each car manufacturers goes about applying it is what makes them different. Last edited by Arcades; 07-08-2018 at 06:35 PM.. |
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With PDK, when you lift of the brake, the clutch engages automatically so the car can start to move slowly. But my 991.1 did so clumsily at times, especially on hills with the car slipping in the other direction a bit more than I was happy with, and hill hold wasn't always predictable or consistent. To have a consistent transmission experience across M vehicles, the creep characteristic was programmed out of the ZF transmission in my X6M (F86). After coming to a stop, at some point which didn't seem consistent, the transmission shifted into neutral, so that when I let go of the brake, the X6M didn't move, and sometimes rolled (in neutral) in the direction I didn't want. BMW evidently wanted the X6M ZF to act like a DCT. I'm not sure which is sillier, for Porsche to try to make PDK act like a TC auto but somewhat failing, or for BMW to make a TC auto act like a dual clutch. As you point out above, at least Porsche is trying to make the experience with an automatic type transmission consistent across all their vehicles, while BMW makes it a bit confusing with some automatic type transmissions behaving like TC autos and others not. Which gets at the heart of the original post of this thread, and why I think not having a P button/mode on DCT wasn't a good idea. Most on this board are more knowledgeable about cars in general and M3s/M4s in particular, and more likely to have owned manual cars, than the entire universe of M3/M4 owners who are coming from other PRND cars and wonder why their new fancy M car with RND doesn't have a P, and have no idea how to park a manual car. But even some on this forum occasionally forget about the unique behavior of their DCT. And if you include temporary drivers (valets, car washers, etc), then the potential for confusion and possibly accidents is even greater. Last edited by eonflux; 07-09-2018 at 03:00 PM.. |
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Dont over think it. Just pull into the space... pull up e-brakes.... press button to turn off engine.... and Voila!! You're in "P" mode like magic!
*** but to be honest.... i had to call my dealer the first day when i took it home while in my garage.... just to ask how to put it in Park. Lmao.
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The only time the no Park button bothers me is when I want to get out without turning the motor off, while on a hill. That definitely annoys me sometimes.
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Jut pull the handbrake.
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