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I didn't read this whole thread. However, the DCT is not an traditional automatic transmission. It has a locking mechanism when the engine is turned off. The car calls that "P". The car has clutches, and shifts based on user input, or computer input.
Sure, it can be similar to an automatic. But it isn't, hence, no park gear. |
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Because I'm concerned the car will roll down the hill.
Are you saying the parking brake is strong enough to hold your car on a 15%+ grade??? I'm too afraid to test it on mine with me out of the car. Hence why having a "P" would be better.
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In fairness, a manual transmission has the same problem.
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How would you have done it if you had a manual Fxx ?
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IDK if that's a fair question because it's not a true manual. I like the nuance of the DCT, I just agree with those that say it should have a "P".
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A properly applied parking brake is just as strong as a transmission parking pawl. The handbrake is strong enough to lock the wheels of a rolling vehicle, so holding a car standing still on a hill is a non-issue. In fact, the parking brake should be the primary system holding the car with the transmission pawl only being a back-up for safety.
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Not being sarcastic, I don't know much about cars, but like to learn. The problem is that there is so much lingo I don't understand yet. Update: I see now that pawl is a latch of some sort. Cool to know. |
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The big issue I have with DCT is no manual override (ie latch in center console) to engage N. This is an glaring oversight by BMW. The funny thing is the latch is there but only accessible underneath the car after wrenching for a little bit. |
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Correct (if you mean that the engine cannot be started to put the DCT in Neutral). This is probably the most significant design flaw of the F8X IMO. At least on the E9X, there was an easily accessible manual overide to disengage the parking pawl.
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On vacation right now driving a Mustang rental. I keep forgetting to put it in P every time I get out of the car. Pretty annoying that required additional step
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That's what I'm saying. After we came back from ED last year with my wife's F80, I may or may not have killed the battery in my Camaro SS (that I had at the time) and/or had a freak out when it started rolling because I kept forgetting to put it in park.
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I don't know if someone mentioned this already but turning "off" the car while in gear is different than turning it off in neutral. It's only after the 2nd time you hit the "off" button will a neutral parked car go into "park."
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