The Myth of the "Real M Car"

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Drew10

You inspired me to go looking...
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71092
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72304

Nice!!!

[Real Deal]

So every 6 years or so this forums blows up due to changes with the new models. I see and then when the car is out the love hate gets less and less.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Real Deal

So every 6 years or so this forums blows up due to changes with the new models. I see and then when the car is out the love hate gets less and less.

That's about right!

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by Real Deal

So every 6 years or so this forums blows up due to changes with the new models. I see and then when the car is out the love hate gets less and less.

Yep....and in 7 years....the F80 M will be the last real M car...

[Real Deal]

I want to bitch slap the next person that is going to compare the sound of a v8 to I6 turbo engine and they called them selves an enthusiast.

[M4TW]

If the fabled ///M's of yesteryear were dredged up for a comparo against their competitor's current offerings, they'd come off as slow, plodding, gas-thirsty relics.

Rather than bemoan the fact that an 'enthusiast's' car now comes with an electric starter rather than a crank, I rejoice in the fact that BMW has once again foiled its competitors by throwing its engineering mojo behind producing a lighter, nimbler and faster model - by subtracting pounds and not by simply adding more horses.

Though I don't see engineering progress as a threat to what an ///M is all about, I do think that BMW is throwing the "M" word a little too loosely these days with its M trim this and M trim that. Neophytes will likely have trouble understanding that a 435 with the M badge pasted on its side is not an actual M4 car - that the M has to come before the number for that to happen.

We'll, at least we 'enthusiasts' know. Perhaps that's enough.

[Real Deal]

Originally Posted by Sparkplug

If the fabled ///M's of yesteryear were dredged up for a comparo against their competitor's current offerings, they'd come off as slow, plodding, gas-thirsty relics.

Rather than bemoan the fact that an 'enthusiast's' car now comes with an electric starter rather than a crank, I rejoice in the fact that BMW has once again foiled its competitors by throwing its engineering mojo behind producing a lighter, nimbler and faster model - by subtracting pounds and not by simply adding more horses.

Though I don't see engineering progress as a threat to what an ///M is all about, I do think that BMW is throwing the "M" word a little too loosely these days with its M trim this and M trim that. Neophytes will likely have trouble understanding that a 435 with the M badge pasted on its side is not an actual M4 car - that the M has to come before the number for that to happen.

We'll, at least we 'enthusiasts' know. Perhaps that's enough.

Perfectly said, I had a buddy in my e90 m sports package and he saw the M logo on the steering wheel and said wow nice M3 lol. I agree that they are just adding too many m packages to all of their cars.

[Sedan_Clan]

I agree about the pervasive ///M branding on everything.

[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by Snig

Funny how someone pointed out the GT-R as an "enthusiast's car."

LMAO.

And another said other cars had power you could actually use without having to rev it to redline. So funny when that is what some say makes the current version better

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by tdizzle

And another said other cars had power you could actually use without having to rev it to redline. So funny when that is what some say makes the current version better

It's funny when you go back and read that stuff huh? If I had a lot of spare time, I'd research the old threads to see how many of those E9X haters ended up buying the car, and if any of those are now F8X haters.

[Real Deal]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It's funny when you go back and read that stuff huh? If I had a lot of spare time, I'd research the old threads to see how many of those E9X haters ended up buying the car, and if any of those are now F8X haters.

Don't waste your time, they have long changed their names a 100 times by now and still live in the shadows lol. Just look at what you and I have encountered in the past 3 weeks with one guy whom changed user names about 4 times.

[Lorde]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It's funny when you go back and read that stuff huh? If I had a lot of spare time, I'd research the old threads to see how many of those E9X haters ended up buying the car, and if any of those are now F8X haters.

F8x haters in the E9x forums?! I have no idea what you're talking about. ;-)

[ybbiz34]

Seeing the recently posted pictures of the Silverstone F80 M3 w/ carbon ceramics has me very, very excited to drive one. I really respect BMW M for lightening the new car up and going with an inline 6.

That said, I think competitors are taking notice of the new F80 M3's lighter weight.

The next generation W205 C63 is reportedly going to be 2-300 pounds lighter than the outgoing W204.

So it will be around 3,500 lbs with a 493 horsepower, 4.0L biturbo V8.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Seeing the recently posted pictures of the Silverstone F80 M3 w/ carbon ceramics has me very, very excited to drive one. I really respect BMW M for lightening the new car up and going with an inline 6.

That said, I think competitors are taking notice of the new F80 M3's lighter weight.

The next generation W205 C63 is reportedly going to be 2-300 pounds lighter than the outgoing W204.

So it will be around 3,500 lbs with a 493 horsepower, 4.0L biturbo V8.

Go Mercedes! I say that knowing that BMW will fire back.

[LDSM]

Originally Posted by Drew10

You inspired me to go looking...
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71092
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72304

This comment, I think he was from the future, he almost got the F80 specs perfect.

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http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...9&postcount=21

For months I've been waving red warning flags here. The specs and pre-release info all added up to the apocalypse we are now seeing. I've been in this game for too long to be fooled by the 'M' hype.

If you remember, the argument made by myself and others was that for $50K you could build a well equipped 335i that was actually as track worthy and faster than the M3. The counter was well it's an 'M', it will be special and hard core from the factory. Well, now it's apparent that with bolt-on mod and far less $$ the 335i will run with and past the new M3 in most performance measures.

So, now more people are seeing that I (and others) are more right with each passing day...thus the complaints.

I'm not here to hate. I would love to see a 450HP, 380TQ 3200 lb M3 for $60K well equipped. I even did a 2 yr lease last year on my 335i anticipating the next generation (M3, C63, CTS-V, GT-R). I also know BMW monitors these boards, so the more people scream disappointment, the quicker they will respond.

PS It looks like the new 'M3' may really be a bolt-on modded 135i!

[Real Deal]

^^^ well I am going to love my m3/modded 135... Heck I have a sick modded e90 that spanks most current e92ms.

[paddy335]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

Wow - even lighter than the E30 - without the need for expensive investment in lightweight carbon fiber production/manufacturing technology!!!

Poor NCAP though

[Savory]

As I always say, tradition is the illusion of permanence. Change isn't the end of the world, just the beginning of a new era. As long as the F8X Ms are
1. Fun to drive w/ tactile feedback
2. Reliable on track
3. Agile

it should draw in new enthusiasts. I cannot wait for the reviews to roll out and hopefully brush off the reluctance and doubt lingering in many of our heads.

[PawnStar]

'M' was short for Motorsport. Now it's just 'M'. 'The Most Powerful Letter in the World', according to BMW. The other 9 (5?) letters, obviously less powerful, were recently let go. Probably still looking for work, who would hire 'otorsport'...

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Go Mercedes! I say that knowing that BMW will fire back.

BMW most definitely will. Some recent reports (featured on the front page) have indicated that the next M5 will have close to 600 horsepower and will weigh up to 400 pounds less than the F10. If this information is accurate, I reckon that BMW is well on its way to firing back.

Hopefully now that the trend is toward achieving greater efficiency (via forced induction), both AMG and M will focus on making their offerings lighter.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

Wow - even lighter than the E30 - without the need for expensive investment in lightweight carbon fiber production/manufacturing technology!!!

Yeah. Its the same technology of our current fenders LOL