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      04-17-2014, 02:25 PM   #67
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Thanks Jason.

Does anyone know if rev-matching on downshift can be disabled on the manual transmission ? If so there must be different tranny maps for the manual, perhaps like the "Sport" button on my E39/E86...

Like some others, this interview has made me reconsider the adaptive suspension and strengthened my resolve (for the moment anyway) to wait a bit before ordering.
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Not sure we can say this -- yet. Lets wait and see.
We have confirmation of a greater than 20% improvement in fuel economy (efficiency), a drop in weight, and an increase in horsepower. We also have a turbocharged engine that will not only have greater peak horsepower, but will generate more horsepower earlier in the RPM range.

We can absolutely say that the new M3/4 is more efficient and faster than the outgoing M3.
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I don't quite understand the adaptive suspension part of the Q&A, and why people think they no longer need it anymore.

Can someone kindly explain why?

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I don't quite understand the adaptive suspension part of the Q&A, and why people think they no longer need it anymore.

Can someone kindly explain why?

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dL
He said the standard would be equivalent to almost the firmest setting on the adaptive susp. In between sport and sport+. People initially believed it would be way softer by default.
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M always had its specific engine. sorry, E90/E92 marks the end era of true M car, period.
Not at all, most M engines were derivatives of engines used in standard
models. Just like now with the S55.

Your S65 was an exception.
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He said the standard would be equivalent to almost the firmest setting on the adaptive susp. In between sport and sport+. People initially believed it would be way softer by default.
Ah I see! Thanks for clarifying.

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M always had its specific engine. sorry, E90/E92 marks the end era of true M car, period.
Not at all, most M engines were derivatives of engines used in standard
models. Just like now with the S55.

Your S65 was an exception.
S65 was a derivative of the S85 with 2 cylinders chopped off. An M rip off of another M motor!!!

How dare they! Obviously I am trolling, these not real m comments are becoming absurd.
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You're quoting actual weight (E90 M3) against published curb weight (F80 M3). The truth is, we won't know the weight of cars "in the wild" until someone takes it to the scales. Remember that the published curb weight for the E90 was over 3700 lbs.

I'm not saying the car will be 150 lbs lighter as BMW is claiming. I'm just saying we don't know the real numbers yet, and it's unlikely that cars will weigh in exactly at the published curb weight.
Please define your definition of "published".

Take a look at the PDF file from this thread.
You will find that the unladen curb weight for the E90 M "published" by BMW is 1605kg (3538 lbs).

But IDK, maybe that's not "published" enough for you.

I agree that real world numbers are needed (and we are all waiting here), but "published" vs "published" where the hell are the weight losses
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I personally am happy about the fact that they don't want to make an M4GC, in my opinion takes away the point of an M3. If they did make one, might as well make an M3 Coupe
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All of this
So what is your prediction for the weight of a "stripper" car with 6MT now?
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LOL so where is the weight saving ???
E90 M3 curb weight was 3538, the F80 M3 is 3540?
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Please define your definition of "published".

Take a look at the PDF file from this thread.
You will find that the unladen curb weight for the E90 M "published" by BMW is 1605kg (3538 lbs).

But IDK, maybe that's not "published" enough for you.

I agree that real world numbers are needed (and we are all waiting here), but "published" vs "published" where the hell are the weight losses
So here you are comparing DIN weight with US Curb. This is apples to oranges...

E90 M3 DIN = 1605kg
F80 M3 DIN = 1520kg
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Thanks for asking the passive suspension question. Even better, the answer is perfect. The only reason for me to select adaptive would have been a spongy passive suspension. Now I can stick with passive with no concerns.
Exactly my thoughts!! Skipping the adaptive suspension option for sure...
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I don't quite understand the adaptive suspension part of the Q&A, and why people think they no longer need it anymore.

Can someone kindly explain why?

Much appreciated,

dL
I can answer from my prosepctive. I was adding the adaptive M suspension bc I wanted to drive in the most sporty setting. I was worried the passive system would be too soft, but since he said the passive system would be between sport and sport+ I will be dropping the adaptive suspension. I never drive in comfort mode ever...
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I can answer from my prosepctive. I was adding the adaptive M suspension bc I wanted to drive in the most sporty setting. I was worried the passive system would be too soft, but since he said the passive system would be between sport and sport+ I will be dropping the adaptive suspension. I never drive in comfort mode ever...
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But i dont mind sport+ steering and damping. I cant stand sport+ throttle. Guess its dct then. Oh well i have a 6mt e90m to hold me down
I'm sure coding will take care of that, plus the auto rev match (which I would personally want on the track sometimes, especially at a new track.

And it looks like the sedan lost about 50 pounds as compared to the official numbers of a manual e90 from 2007. Not awful considering the additional size, content and safety stuff. The car is gonna boogey! Plus with gear ratios closer to the new M5 and the more efficient engine, the car should use a good deal less fuel, and spin less rpm on the highway with the cruise set at 75. I still don't know why BMW refuses to put a taller 6th gear in their cars, a la GM and substantially increase mpg on the highway, as well as lower the engine sound in the cabin as a result of lower rpm (less motor wear as well).


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Bummer on M4 GC, but that sounded like a good explanation and a final one! So M3 or go non Bimmer I guess. I don't agree that the GC and Coupe are the same customer base, I am not in the market for the coupe at all but would love the GC.
I agree "bummer," that the customer for a 4dr hatchback (GC) is not likely the same as a 2dr coupe (i.e. what was traditionally meant by the descriptor "coupe"), and that this means an M4 GC is quite unlikely.

But while hatchbacks do trade away some structural strength efficiency for practicality, as a rational for why it isn't a good M candidate I don't see this as anything more than an expedient explanation for a marketing decision. Not when the M4 convertible exists, which is distinctly heavier and more flexible, as well as the myriad M-versions of the X vehicles (heavier, higher CG, and I doubt those taller boxers are stiffer). Those are better candidates for motorsports vehicles? I think not. But they sell. Which is quite sufficient rationale for a business decision to have them exist and not the M4GC.

But no M3 Touring or M4GC is a disappointment for enthusiasts who want the highest performance practical vehicle they can get. Obviously a marginal group.
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I think the most valuable (new) info we got from this interview is the confirmation of shift lights on 6MT cars .

It does not explain how come DCT is 34lb lighter in the US
M3 weighs 10 pounds more than the M4? I'll take the M3 please.

Still the lesser of two evils.
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M3 weighs 10 pounds more than the M4? I'll take the M3 please.

Still the lesser of two evils.
I don't trust those US curb weights. The m3 is more likely 50lb heavier than the m4 as per the DIN weights published by BMW. Still not enough of a deterrent IMO for someone who prefers the sedan
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3595lbs is around 1630kg without driver!!!! This is approx the same as the E90 M3 DCT?????? I must be missing something but how is this the 150lbs + weight reduction from the previous gen that is being advertised?

Would be great if someone could explain because I am slightly confused.
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Weight loss or lack thereof are speculative until someone weighs comparably equipped models on the same scales with same fuel loads. I suspect the actual loss will be more like 40-50lbs. F30 chassis is just plain bigger than E90, and tougher crash standards were applicaBle compared to the early mid 2000when E9x was on the drawing boards. Tough to hide that in an almost all-steel car
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Im wondering how much weight is due to the options of "more than 1/3" of the purchases. I'm expecting the weight is based on a fully loaded model. How much do you guys think is saved on a stripper model?

And since sport+ is too aggressive of a setting (for throttle) im leaning towards dct. Unless of course you could be in sport+ mode with throttle in comfort and not have auto blipping. Whats the fun in that?!
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Is this the standard approach to weighing cars -- and does this include a full tank -- and what are the options expected to be on 1/3 of M3/M4s sold?

"The way the US curb weight is measured includes full fluids in the car, all standard equipment for US market and all options that are expected to be equipped on more than one-thirds of M3/M4 sold (i.e. 19" wheels and DCT are included)."
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LOL so where is the weight saving ???
E90 M3 curb weight was 3538, the F80 M3 is 3540?
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Look at the 2013 M3 and see how frequently certain items were chosen: trans, moonroof, leather options, etc.

My guess is the f30 m3 in MT, carbon roof, and low options with 18" wheels is going to weigh in around 3450 with fluids.

And I will be quite happy with that 500 pound weight loss compared to my e39 m5, which is the same size as the f80 and has pretty darn similar power output.
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So much for the 3300 lb pipe dream. Hate to say it, but I told you. Whatever performance improvement this F80 will bring will be entirely on the shoulders of the improved torque of the new engine. It's basically going to weigh the same as the old car and have nearly exactly the same amount of horsepower.
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So what is your prediction for the weight of a "stripper" car with 6MT now?
Loads of confusion on weights, and some are not easily explainable either (like CanAut's point about DCT difference between US and EU). But some of the confusion has been discussed previously and explained in the "official" curb weight thread.

Remember that US curb weights usually includes the driver (bold part highlighting the problem with US curb weight inconsitencies).

Another "problem" with US curb weights are the 33% option rule. Who would know which optionas are included and the weight of those options? Very confusing...

A "stripper" M4 weighs 1500kg without the driver. Add the 33% options, full tank (instead of just 90% as in EU) and the driver and you end up with the US curb weight.

This is something we have been aware of for a long time. The 1500kg curb weight is 90% fuel and fluids, but NO driver, NO DCT and NO options.
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Pyrite Brown, now that will be an unusual sight. Could be cool I guess but a brown M car just sounds, well wrong.
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^^ this
Brown is actually the new black...

Saw loads of Porsches in brown on my recent trip to the Nürburgring and Spa Francorchamps. Models such as 911 GT3, 911 Turbo and Cayman. And a beautiful brown E92 M3.

This is a rather nice F10 M5:

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You're quoting actual weight (E90 M3) against published curb weight (F80 M3). The truth is, we won't know the weight of cars "in the wild" until someone takes it to the scales. Remember that the published curb weight for the E90 was over 3700 lbs.

I'm not saying the car will be 150 lbs lighter as BMW is claiming. I'm just saying we don't know the real numbers yet, and it's unlikely that cars will weigh in exactly at the published curb weight.
I remember a time when we were told the f8x will be almost 300 lbs lighter than the e9x =/
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I remember a time when we were told the f8x will be almost 300 lbs lighter than the e9x =/
Were we ever told that by BMW .

The first number I remember hearing out of BMW was 80kg lighter...
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