Has anyone considered getting a 991.2 Carrera/S

W/// · 04-04-2016, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

Very true on the m5/6, and M cars in general, but applies to most Amgs too and generally anything expensive can drop a lot.

As for the GTS models, the 997s are still holding very high and are pretty rare so I think they'll hold.

That car you posted is just a base 991, and had an orig I believe of around high 80s, so overall not much value lost even though it's about 3 years old.

Crazy, that car sat around for weeks, but they just took it off the website.

That was definitely a C2S (I checked), had cooled/heated seats and upgraded wheels. I don't know what other options it had, but that alone would push the price close to $100k if I'm not mistaken.

Plus if you go on Autotrader, there's definitely a few C2S that could be had for low to mid 70s. Still out of my budget so I'll have to keep dreaming for a while longer!

Motorsportenterprise · 04-04-2016, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by W///

Crazy, that car sat around for weeks, but they just took it off the website.

That was definitely a C2S (I checked), had cooled/heated seats and upgraded wheels. I don't know what other options it had, but that alone would push the price close to $100k if I'm not mistaken.

Plus if you go on Autotrader, there's definitely a few C2S that could be had for low to mid 70s. Still out of my budget so I'll have to keep dreaming for a while longer!

Weird it's gone now. I presume it's because it was incorrectly priced, since that price point would likely get you a base 2014 model carrera let alone an S.
If that was an S you're right the Msrp was probably around 100k. Options appeared to be 20s, metallic paint and ventilated seats and not much else.
You can def find S models in the 70s but not 2014s. Definitely can find some 2012 models in the 70s though which are already 5 model years old now. Again, still holding a lot of value given they are that "old" now.

j997tt · 04-05-2016, 07:52 PM

Good, low mileage 997.2 GTSs are indeed holding their value well. I did a lot of research before buying mine. They tend to fetch app. 10k more than a contemporary C2S. It a pretty special car but I am biased...

adc · 04-07-2016, 10:44 PM

A used 991.2 out of a lease will be a prime candidate for me in 2018 when my M3 lease expires. Also the M2, and another M3, probably ZCP.

Not sure what else can hold 4 and can dance like these.

KG11 · 04-16-2016, 03:29 AM

I have been looking at an M4 for a long time. Seeing some mixed reviews I'm also wondering what else is out there. I did find a good deal on a 2011 Carrera S. Certified and low mileage, it priced out around 10,000 less than the M4 I am considering. The car is several states away, so I would be buying site and driving unseen. There are no 997 generation porsches locally to test drive. I am also attracted to the lower depreciation let a slightly older car would have. But what about performance: will they be similar or the Porsche a lot more fun? Space in the Porsche seems minimal, but adequate with a roof box if necessary. Reliability? Overall cost of ownership? And the other things I should be considering? I would likely keep the Porsche 3 to 4 years and drive it between five and 8000 miles per year.

georgere · 04-16-2016, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KG11

I have been looking at an M4 for a long time. Seeing some mixed reviews I'm also wondering what else is out there. I did find a good deal on a 2011 Carrera S. Certified and low mileage, it priced out around 10,000 less than the M4 I am considering. The car is several states away, so I would be buying site and driving unseen. There are no 997 generation porsches locally to test drive. I am also attracted to the lower depreciation let a slightly older car would have. But what about performance: will they be similar or the Porsche a lot more fun? Space in the Porsche seems minimal, but adequate with a roof box if necessary. Reliability? Overall cost of ownership? And the other things I should be considering? I would likely keep the Porsche 3 to 4 years and drive it between five and 8000 miles per year.

As soon as I have the opportunity, I will get a 911. From the years of dreaming about M3 I must have built up unrealistically high expectations because even though I am liking my M3, i kind of expected more from it. But then who knows, if I get a 911 I may end up with the same feelings.
My point - get the best car you can (best in your mind). If you feel 911 is your dream car, get it. Do not mix finances into it as both cars are expensive in every category of car ownership.

DocWeatherington · 04-16-2016, 11:14 AM

Go drive both, the M4 has duality in performance and comfort. You might be shocked at how well it drives vs the reviews you've seen. Additionally, something has yet to be said about the Comp Pack, let alone maintenance and peace of mind of a full factory warranty.

If you are in KCMO just find a 911 equipped the same and do a mini head to head... you'll find the M4 isn't as bad as what some people make it be.

As far as P-Cars, pay to play...do your research on the maintenance schedule and costs.

nicknaz · 04-16-2016, 02:22 PM

OP, my short list was 997.2 s pdk, 997.1 TT, and f80. I went f80 since it was much cheaper due to full warranty and free maintenance and I could do euro delivery.

If euro delivery wasn't in the cards I would likely have gone P car

S65V8 · 04-17-2016, 04:45 AM

997.2 C2S would be my pick if you're goal is to drive a visceral sports car.

Love my M4, but it's really great only if you need one car to be everything- an ideal GT car if you will. The M4 drives "well" for what it's made for, but will not be as "raw" of a sports car as a 997.2 or any 911 really.

M4ymb · 04-17-2016, 07:03 AM

Had a 2010 997.2S and a 2010 997.2 GT3

Traded both in after about 15K miles.

They are fun cars to own if you like ZERO comfort or tech or at least don't care about that stuff. Very raw and 80's like. Very Very cheap interiors. My finger nail scratched the finish off easily. 997.2 CS is under powered for me. The 997.2 GT3 is perfect power. Very hard ride, not even close to a daily driver.
Here is my biggest complaint. I Mod ever car I own and ALL parts for a Porsche are unattainable for anyone who isn't just plain Rich$$$$$. Think about spending another 100K in cash if you want something to be a show stopper.
15K front bumper
15K rear bumper
seats are 12k each
I put on an exhaust and it was 17K when it was all said and done and felt sick doing it.
My suspension was 10K.

Maintenance is nothing really. $200 oil change every 8K miles. Rear tires go in 7K period.

In the end I never felt as if the money I paid for the car was worth what I was getting. The M4 F82 feels like it's worth every penny and I still think that a year after ownership. I get just as many people talking to me about the car as I did the Porsche.
Sitting in the garage the Porsche is very striking but thats where it ends. At least for me.

quattr0 · 04-17-2016, 09:37 AM

@M4ymb Thanks for your feedback. TBH, those of us who could eventually get an used C2S, it means we wont waste money on looker but enjoy what pcar drives like.

OP, make sure you drive both and find a trusted mechanic. I should have saved a tad more and get '12 or newer C2S. Coming fr FBO w M bits n54, i expected more fr f82 (i still have both). Didnt own M car before so i pulled the trigger without test driving it which was not smart thing lol

Devilzmantis · 04-17-2016, 09:53 AM

Just my personal experience. Owned a 997 and it was zero comfort. It was nimble but after 30 minutes, you will feel pain in the body. Did not have enough power so that was like 75% of the driving experience. After 6 months I traded it in for a F83 and couldn't be happier. If you must go with a Pcar, look into the 991 models. They have dropped big time in the low 70's with 15K miles. But even with the 991.1 S, the F82 is very comparable if not better in some areas.

Motorsportenterprise · 04-17-2016, 01:13 PM

KG11 - It's a more fun, raw, connected car. The 997 isn't a GT like the 991, but very much similar. Interior and overall quality is a way ahead. I have always had awful problems with my BMWs quality. BMW interiors are very very cheap and don't use as quality of parts.
A 911 you do not get the big trunk or a big back seat but that is something you should know and understand going into it, otherwise if you can afford it, it will likely become a car you will love and have a hard time driving anything else.
Your decision should come down to what you want. If you can do without a big backseat (which you may or may not use/need) there should be nothing to dissuade you from the 911. It's better quality, better car to drive and track and will be the car that will put a grin on your face and reward you like no other.

@m4ybm, couldn't disagree any more with you. Porsche quality and interior isn't matched in the industry (except for a few). I had an x3 and all my m3s had issues with the button coatings rubbing off and same on the steering wheel as well as interior rattles and trim problems that drove me nuts and the dealer couldn't seem to fix. My cayenne turbo has the nicest interior I've ever had and even after 30k miles on its as good as new. Everyone who's been in it has commented on how decadent it is and has said they've never say in any other euro car that could compare. But hey, we all have our biases and opinions but fact is their quality and parts are second to none. JD power substantiates year in and year out that fact.

2010 IQS and dependability. Enough said. Stats are more sufficient than personal bias.
http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/JD...10099-uiq2.pdf

http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/JD...10034-vds2.pdf

j997tt · 04-18-2016, 05:05 AM

I just did the switch. I bought a '12 997.2 C4 GTS last month after searching high and low. PDK wide body with desirable options. X51 Powerkit is standard. I liked my M4 but really wanted something more nimble, smaller, and visceral. Could have had a 991S but they didn't feel same. It's a more modern car but I am older and grew up with the 997s. Owned a few too. The GTS is pretty special. Not as fast as the M4 but it is not all about speed. The one thing the M4 cannot touch is the steering feel of the 997. It is unbelievably communicative. Build quality on the 997 is very good too. If you go 997 suggest you buy the the .2 and the latest MY you can. Good luck.

Brosef · 04-18-2016, 08:55 AM

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KG11 - It's a more fun, raw, connected car. The 997 isn't a GT like the 991, but very much similar. Interior and overall quality is a way ahead. I have always had awful problems with my BMWs quality. BMW interiors are very very cheap and don't use as quality of parts.
A 911 you do not get the big trunk or a big back seat but that is something you should know and understand going into it, otherwise if you can afford it, it will likely become a car you will love and have a hard time driving anything else.
Your decision should come down to what you want. If you can do without a big backseat (which you may or may not use/need) there should be nothing to dissuade you from the 911. It's better quality, better car to drive and track and will be the car that will put a grin on your face and reward you like no other.

@m4ybm, couldn't disagree any more with you. Porsche quality and interior isn't matched in the industry (except for a few). I had an x3 and all my m3s had issues with the button coatings rubbing off and same on the steering wheel as well as interior rattles and trim problems that drove me nuts and the dealer couldn't seem to fix. My cayenne turbo has the nicest interior I've ever had and even after 30k miles on its as good as new. Everyone who's been in it has commented on how decadent it is and has said they've never say in any other euro car that could compare. But hey, we all have our biases and opinions but fact is their quality and parts are second to none. JD power substantiates year in and year out that fact.

2010 IQS and dependability. Enough said. Stats are more sufficient than personal bias.
http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/JD...10099-uiq2.pdf

http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/JD...10034-vds2.pdf

ummm, what?? you've got to be kidding on this one. I would agree that their material quality is impeccable if you were speaking of the 991, but the 997? you've got to be kidding. the HVAC controls are absolutely notorious for scraping off. and that problem existed on every 911 in the range, from the base Carrera up to the Turbo S. I owned a C2S and the problem hit me too, and I only put 24,000 miles on it. not to mention the constant rattles that were there from mile 1. it was a great experience owning that car, but it's not perfect. no car is. enough of the kool aid.

EDIT: here's what turned up from one quick google search on this topic:
https://www.google.com/search?q=pors..._zAF0Q_AUICCgC

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Originally Posted by j997tt

I just did the switch. I bought a '12 997.2 C4 GTS last month after searching high and low. PDK wide body with desirable options. X51 Powerkit is standard. I liked my M4 but really wanted something more nimble, smaller, and visceral. Could have had a 991S but they didn't feel same. It's a more modern car but I am older and grew up with the 997s. Owned a few too. The GTS is pretty special. Not as fast as the M4 but it is not all about speed. The one thing the M4 cannot touch is the steering feel of the 997. It is unbelievably communicative. Build quality on the 997 is very good too. If you go 997 suggest you buy the the .2 and the latest MY you can. Good luck.

couldn't agree with this more. the 997 is a much more raw and engaging experience. the 991 is much easier to live with as an everyday car, but for a weekend drive, no question I'd take the 997.

Motorsportenterprise · 04-18-2016, 10:09 AM

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ummm, what?? you've got to be kidding on this one. I would agree that their material quality is impeccable if you were speaking of the 991, but the 997? you've got to be kidding. the HVAC controls are absolutely notorious for scraping off. and that problem existed on every 911 in the range, from the base Carrera up to the Turbo S. I owned a C2S and the problem hit me too, and I only put 24,000 miles on it. not to mention the constant rattles that were there from mile 1. it was a great experience owning that car, but it's not perfect. no car is. enough of the kool aid.

EDIT: here's what turned up from one quick google search on this topic:
https://www.google.com/search?q=pors..._zAF0Q_AUICCgC

couldn't agree with this more. the 997 is a much more raw and engaging experience. the 991 is much easier to live with as an everyday car, but for a weekend drive, no question I'd take the 997.

I would agree the 991 is even nicer but the 997 gen was still a top quality car, no doubt. They have consistently ranked highest among German brands for quality and dependability over the last 15 years. The stats certainly speak for themselves since it does come from true customer experience.
I provided some personal experience and you also...neither is wrong. Overall though I haven't been in any car I'd say was better built than my Porsches. My bmws have been ridden with bugs, glitches, rattles and trim issues. I also had my fair share of issues with both the manual and DCT transmissions that soured otherwise decent cars.
One thing to note, the first post was referring to the second mark of the 997 gen. That was not an issue at all then to the best of my knowledge.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pors...w+trim+peeling

No car is perfect but some things can get blown out of proportion. Above is bmw trim issues just from a search...fyi

I do agree the 997 is a more visceral car by comparison to the 991. Even a 991 GT3 can easily be used daily.

MPerformance211 · 04-18-2016, 01:34 PM

My 997.1S rattled like an '85 Camaro (dashboard, seatback and door panel). In contrast, my 997.1 Turbo was pretty flawless save for the worn off covering on the control knobs. Interiors in all 997 versions are nothing at all to write home about.

My '06 M5 dashboard rattled like hell as well but none of my M3's did (knock on wood with the current M4 as it only has 3,800 miles on it).

The biggest surprise were the issue/rattle free nature of my former C6 Vettes. Interior quality was shit but they were rattle free.

Agree with what others have posted........it is damn hard (if not impossible) to find the perfect car. Get what you like. I personally do not like the look of wingless 911's. Droopy ass does nothing for me.

fusionchicken · 04-18-2016, 02:00 PM

I drove both in anger in the canyons and the M4 while a monster just could not match the 997s' visceral feel. The 997s' steering feel and corner exit grip are out of this world good.

What you give up in driving dynamics is made up in daily comfort, which shouldn't be surprising. The M4 is also much torquier; 2nd gear pulls never get tiring on the street, and my daily driver is 31xx lbs with an LS7

OP try to find a Carmax around you they are super chill with test drives, I would strongly urge that you drive both cars as they are very different. Try tugging the steering wheel a bit in both cars to see how the chassis react to driver inputs, and be sure to do a decent cruise at freeway speeds to get an idea how comfortable both cars are. Don't forget to mess with both cars in different driving modes.

Frankly no amount of opinions in this thread will be as important as you actually driving the cars and finding out what your poison is. You can't lose with either choice though.

j997tt · 04-18-2016, 05:24 PM

^^^ Great post above. I have been wanting to get back into a 911 for ten years and finally did it with the GTS. It feels so connected, compact, and planted. The AWD system (PTM) is from the Turbo and just keeps the car on line through corners. Not too much understeer and a bit better weight distribution compared to the 2S but is also +/- 100 pounds heavier too... I miss the M4 but the 997 feels more special to me. Both are great cars.

One thing I will not miss is the stones getting stuck in the brake shield and the MCCB brake calipers destroying the rim barrels...

Warranty P · 04-19-2016, 05:12 AM

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Prob be a great idea to get a gently used 991.1 GTS. 430 NA hp. Pretty nice car for the money.

I would only get a 991.1 if I got a stupid awesome deal on it. 991.2 models just perform so much better...Porsche did it right, turbocharging base models.

stealth.pilot · 04-23-2016, 01:33 AM

I thought about a .2 C4S. The new ones are very fast with their turbos. Even the .2 C2 is faster than the old C4S.

But when I specced it out the .2 C4S came out to $140k. So I decided it would be better to go for a used .1 TTS.

Anyway will see what happens. Not buying till I sell.

Golfster · 04-26-2016, 10:08 PM

The 991 was on a very short list of cars I considered before I ultimately decided on the M4. I previously owned Porsche but never had an M4 and found it to be a great package including the features and performance I wanted.
It doesn't hurt the M4 is bargain priced compared to the Porsche either!

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j997tt Private First Class 75 Rep 174 Posts Drives: 2021 X3M DGM/SO Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Good, low mileage 997.2 GTSs are indeed holding their value well. I did a lot of research before buying mine. They tend to fetch app. 10k more than a contemporary C2S. It a pretty special car but I am biased... __________________ MY21 X3M DGM/SO MY22 M235i MB/MR
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KG11 Enlisted Member 32 Rep 41 Posts Drives: E92 M3-sold... Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: KCMO iTrader: (0)	M4 vs Porsche 997.2 c2s? I have been looking at an M4 for a long time. Seeing some mixed reviews I'm also wondering what else is out there. I did find a good deal on a 2011 Carrera S. Certified and low mileage, it priced out around 10,000 less than the M4 I am considering. The car is several states away, so I would be buying site and driving unseen. There are no 997 generation porsches locally to test drive. I am also attracted to the lower depreciation let a slightly older car would have. But what about performance: will they be similar or the Porsche a lot more fun? Space in the Porsche seems minimal, but adequate with a roof box if necessary. Reliability? Overall cost of ownership? And the other things I should be considering? I would likely keep the Porsche 3 to 4 years and drive it between five and 8000 miles per year.
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DocWeatherington Brigadier General 2933 Rep 4,076 Posts Drives: F90 CP Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: US iTrader: (0) Garage List 23 Bmw M3 [10.00]	Go drive both, the M4 has duality in performance and comfort. You might be shocked at how well it drives vs the reviews you've seen. Additionally, something has yet to be said about the Comp Pack, let alone maintenance and peace of mind of a full factory warranty. If you are in KCMO just find a 911 equipped the same and do a mini head to head... you'll find the M4 isn't as bad as what some people make it be. As far as P-Cars, pay to play...do your research on the maintenance schedule and costs.
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nicknaz Lieutenant General 3187 Rep 10,509 Posts Drives: C6Z Join Date: May 2008 Location: NorCal iTrader: (0)	OP, my short list was 997.2 s pdk, 997.1 TT, and f80. I went f80 since it was much cheaper due to full warranty and free maintenance and I could do euro delivery. If euro delivery wasn't in the cards I would likely have gone P car
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S65V8 _ 808 Rep 3,160 Posts Drives: ... Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (10)	997.2 C2S would be my pick if you're goal is to drive a visceral sports car. Love my M4, but it's really great only if you need one car to be everything- an ideal GT car if you will. The M4 drives "well" for what it's made for, but will not be as "raw" of a sports car as a 997.2 or any 911 really.
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M4ymb Private 38 Rep 68 Posts Drives: 2015 M4 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: NC iTrader: (1)	Had a 2010 997.2S and a 2010 997.2 GT3 Traded both in after about 15K miles. They are fun cars to own if you like ZERO comfort or tech or at least don't care about that stuff. Very raw and 80's like. Very Very cheap interiors. My finger nail scratched the finish off easily. 997.2 CS is under powered for me. The 997.2 GT3 is perfect power. Very hard ride, not even close to a daily driver. Here is my biggest complaint. I Mod ever car I own and ALL parts for a Porsche are unattainable for anyone who isn't just plain Rich$$$$$. Think about spending another 100K in cash if you want something to be a show stopper. 15K front bumper 15K rear bumper seats are 12k each I put on an exhaust and it was 17K when it was all said and done and felt sick doing it. My suspension was 10K. Maintenance is nothing really. $200 oil change every 8K miles. Rear tires go in 7K period. In the end I never felt as if the money I paid for the car was worth what I was getting. The M4 F82 feels like it's worth every penny and I still think that a year after ownership. I get just as many people talking to me about the car as I did the Porsche. Sitting in the garage the Porsche is very striking but thats where it ends. At least for me. __________________ 14' Porsche 991 C4S 2015 F-250 Platinum PAST 2015 - M4 2010 997.2 GT3 / 2009 IS-F / 00' S2K / 2013 F-250 Last edited by M4ymb; 04-17-2016 at 07:18 AM..
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quattr0 First Lieutenant 153 Rep 390 Posts Drives: 335i DD, 991.2 weekend toy! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: US iTrader: (0)	@M4ymb Thanks for your feedback. TBH, those of us who could eventually get an used C2S, it means we wont waste money on looker but enjoy what pcar drives like. OP, make sure you drive both and find a trusted mechanic. I should have saved a tad more and get '12 or newer C2S. Coming fr FBO w M bits n54, i expected more fr f82 (i still have both). Didnt own M car before so i pulled the trigger without test driving it which was not smart thing lol
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Devilzmantis Captain 407 Rep 732 Posts Drives: E92 M3, 991 Turbo S Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Oakland, Ca iTrader: (0)	Just my personal experience. Owned a 997 and it was zero comfort. It was nimble but after 30 minutes, you will feel pain in the body. Did not have enough power so that was like 75% of the driving experience. After 6 months I traded it in for a F83 and couldn't be happier. If you must go with a Pcar, look into the 991 models. They have dropped big time in the low 70's with 15K miles. But even with the 991.1 S, the F82 is very comparable if not better in some areas. __________________ 2016 BMW M4 ZCP, 2011 BMW M3 ZCP, 2015 BMW I3 SOLD-2015 BMW M4 Convertible ,2006 Porsche 911,2011 BMW Z4,2001 BMW 330ci
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Motorsportenterprise Banned 202 Rep 621 Posts Drives: Turbo/NA Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: US iTrader: (0)	KG11 - It's a more fun, raw, connected car. The 997 isn't a GT like the 991, but very much similar. Interior and overall quality is a way ahead. I have always had awful problems with my BMWs quality. BMW interiors are very very cheap and don't use as quality of parts. A 911 you do not get the big trunk or a big back seat but that is something you should know and understand going into it, otherwise if you can afford it, it will likely become a car you will love and have a hard time driving anything else. Your decision should come down to what you want. If you can do without a big backseat (which you may or may not use/need) there should be nothing to dissuade you from the 911. It's better quality, better car to drive and track and will be the car that will put a grin on your face and reward you like no other. @m4ybm, couldn't disagree any more with you. Porsche quality and interior isn't matched in the industry (except for a few). I had an x3 and all my m3s had issues with the button coatings rubbing off and same on the steering wheel as well as interior rattles and trim problems that drove me nuts and the dealer couldn't seem to fix. My cayenne turbo has the nicest interior I've ever had and even after 30k miles on its as good as new. Everyone who's been in it has commented on how decadent it is and has said they've never say in any other euro car that could compare. But hey, we all have our biases and opinions but fact is their quality and parts are second to none. JD power substantiates year in and year out that fact. 2010 IQS and dependability. Enough said. Stats are more sufficient than personal bias. http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/JD...10099-uiq2.pdf http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/JD...10034-vds2.pdf Last edited by Motorsportenterprise; 04-17-2016 at 01:30 PM..
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j997tt Private First Class 75 Rep 174 Posts Drives: 2021 X3M DGM/SO Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I just did the switch. I bought a '12 997.2 C4 GTS last month after searching high and low. PDK wide body with desirable options. X51 Powerkit is standard. I liked my M4 but really wanted something more nimble, smaller, and visceral. Could have had a 991S but they didn't feel same. It's a more modern car but I am older and grew up with the 997s. Owned a few too. The GTS is pretty special. Not as fast as the M4 but it is not all about speed. The one thing the M4 cannot touch is the steering feel of the 997. It is unbelievably communicative. Build quality on the 997 is very good too. If you go 997 suggest you buy the the .2 and the latest MY you can. Good luck. __________________ MY21 X3M DGM/SO MY22 M235i MB/MR
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MPerformance211 Banned 274 Rep 439 Posts Drives: 2013 981 Boxster S; 3 pedals Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: northern hemisphere iTrader: (0)	My 997.1S rattled like an '85 Camaro (dashboard, seatback and door panel). In contrast, my 997.1 Turbo was pretty flawless save for the worn off covering on the control knobs. Interiors in all 997 versions are nothing at all to write home about. My '06 M5 dashboard rattled like hell as well but none of my M3's did (knock on wood with the current M4 as it only has 3,800 miles on it). The biggest surprise were the issue/rattle free nature of my former C6 Vettes. Interior quality was shit but they were rattle free. Agree with what others have posted........it is damn hard (if not impossible) to find the perfect car. Get what you like. I personally do not like the look of wingless 911's. Droopy ass does nothing for me.
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04-18-2016, 02:00 PM	#62
fusionchicken Captain 161 Rep 763 Posts Drives: C6 Z06, Z4M Roadster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: socal iTrader: (0)	I drove both in anger in the canyons and the M4 while a monster just could not match the 997s' visceral feel. The 997s' steering feel and corner exit grip are out of this world good. What you give up in driving dynamics is made up in daily comfort, which shouldn't be surprising. The M4 is also much torquier; 2nd gear pulls never get tiring on the street, and my daily driver is 31xx lbs with an LS7 OP try to find a Carmax around you they are super chill with test drives, I would strongly urge that you drive both cars as they are very different. Try tugging the steering wheel a bit in both cars to see how the chassis react to driver inputs, and be sure to do a decent cruise at freeway speeds to get an idea how comfortable both cars are. Don't forget to mess with both cars in different driving modes. Frankly no amount of opinions in this thread will be as important as you actually driving the cars and finding out what your poison is. You can't lose with either choice though.
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04-18-2016, 05:24 PM	#63
j997tt Private First Class 75 Rep 174 Posts Drives: 2021 X3M DGM/SO Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	^^^ Great post above. I have been wanting to get back into a 911 for ten years and finally did it with the GTS. It feels so connected, compact, and planted. The AWD system (PTM) is from the Turbo and just keeps the car on line through corners. Not too much understeer and a bit better weight distribution compared to the 2S but is also +/- 100 pounds heavier too... I miss the M4 but the 997 feels more special to me. Both are great cars. One thing I will not miss is the stones getting stuck in the brake shield and the MCCB brake calipers destroying the rim barrels... __________________ MY21 X3M DGM/SO MY22 M235i MB/MR
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04-23-2016, 01:33 AM	#65
stealth.pilot Knight Commander 559 Rep 5,948 Posts Drives: 2014 911 Turbo S Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Buckhead iTrader: (0) Garage List 2014 Porsche 911 Tu ... [10.00] 2015 Mercedes-Benz ... [0.00] 2015 Jaguar F Type R [0.00] 2014 BMW M5 [0.00]	I thought about a .2 C4S. The new ones are very fast with their turbos. Even the .2 C2 is faster than the old C4S. But when I specced it out the .2 C4S came out to $140k. So I decided it would be better to go for a used .1 TTS. Anyway will see what happens. Not buying till I sell. __________________ 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 580 2020 Mercedes-Benz GLE 450 Ordered: EQS580, BMW IX, Lucid Air Touring, Corvette Stingray
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04-26-2016, 10:08 PM	#66
Golfster Lieutenant 307 Rep 511 Posts Drives: DD: Macan GTS, W/E: 992S Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: NorCal iTrader: (0)	The 991 was on a very short list of cars I considered before I ultimately decided on the M4. I previously owned Porsche but never had an M4 and found it to be a great package including the features and performance I wanted. It doesn't hurt the M4 is bargain priced compared to the Porsche either!
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