2020 GT500 vs. M4

elitex · 01-15-2019, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by minn19

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Looks great. Not sure I want one. I've already owned 2 GT350's and I am sure the interior is very similar with lots of cheap plastics.

Also, they should've offered a manual.

I could live with the cheap interior and even the misaligned panels/poor paint jobs/essentially really shitty build quality. It was the blown motors, excessive oil usage, drivers side rear axle boots continuing to break spewing grease everywhere etc etc I couldn't.

I didn't experience any of the issues you mentioned.

minn19 · 01-15-2019, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by elitex

I didn't experience any of the issues you mentioned.

I'm happy for you that you didn't. A lot of us did/do though and I did with two of them. I'd still be in my 17 if it wasn't on the way to another engine replacement like my 16 had due to excessive oil usage.

dkhm3 · 01-15-2019, 02:24 PM

If ford and tremec can build a dct able to handle this type of torque on what I suppose is a longitudinal front engine platform, I am ashamed that bmw could not on the new m5 or the new upcoming m3 with what I assume is the zf 8.

For those of you that say the zf8 is as good as a dct, go drive a pdk on a porsche.

Fender150 · 01-15-2019, 02:34 PM

Im happy with the m4 dct. Not super far off pdk.
They were able to build a nice transmission on the ford gt, i would imagine they have some experience now.
My local ford dealer has an open allocation for a 19 gt350 hmmm

Humdizzle · 01-15-2019, 03:50 PM

its a ford. Just look inside and feel the buttons and materials. Look at the resale value of older GT500s as well.

There is more to a car than performance.

Sd335i2007 · 01-15-2019, 03:58 PM

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700 HP?

pray for all the bystanders at cars and coffee!

Too funny! So true 😂

MaX PL · 01-15-2019, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fender150

Im happy with the m4 dct. Not super far off pdk.
They were able to build a nice transmission on the ford gt, i would imagine they have some experience now.
My local ford dealer has an open allocation for a 19 gt350 hmmm

the ford gt trans was not built by tremec but by getrag.

Fender150 · 01-17-2019, 04:16 PM

really, didnt know that good to know

doberzus · 01-21-2019, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by elitex

I didn't experience any of the issues you mentioned.

+1

Never had any issues with my 2017 GT350. Bought it new. Drove it HARD for 1 year and put only 4k miles on it. But I romped on it very hard for that one year. It was an amazing car.

To this date still my favorite car I've ever owned when it came to driving experience. No issues with mine, other than the interior felt cheap. But the interior felt cheap on my Focus RS and even my Raptor...it's a Ford thing.

minn19 · 01-21-2019, 04:38 PM

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+1

Never had any issues with my 2017 GT350. Bought it new. Drove it HARD for 1 year and put only 4k miles on it. But I romped on it very hard for that one year. It was an amazing car.

To this date still my favorite car I've ever owned when it came to driving experience. No issues with mine, other than the interior felt cheap. But the interior felt cheap on my Focus RS and even my Raptor...it's a Ford thing.

Again, I wish that was my experience as well because I would still have it. It was also my favorite car from a driving standpoint.

CanAutM3 · 01-22-2019, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dkhm3

If ford and tremec can build a dct able to handle this type of torque on what I suppose is a longitudinal front engine platform, I am ashamed that bmw could not on the new m5 or the new upcoming m3 with what I assume is the zf 8.

For those of you that say the zf8 is as good as a dct, go drive a pdk on a porsche.

It’s not that they could not technically, it’s quite possible to design DCT built to handle massive amounts of torque, just think of the Bugatti. BMW chose not to invest in that development for cost reasons.

doberzus · 01-22-2019, 11:25 AM

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Again, I wish that was my experience as well because I would still have it. It was also my favorite car from a driving standpoint.

How did Ford handle the warranty issues with the engine replacement? Was it a big hassle or did they cooperate and make things right?

minn19 · 01-22-2019, 11:33 AM

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How did Ford handle the warranty issues with the engine replacement? Was it a big hassle or did they cooperate and make things right?

I was one of the early ones and it was a very big 3 month long or so hassle. Eventually they came through, but not until many phone calls from myself and from my dealer on my behalf.

Now it appears they are used to it and for the most part I'm seeing a couple of week turnaround time on the 'Stang forum.

dkhm3 · 01-22-2019, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

It’s not that they could not technically, it’s quite possible to design DCT built to handle massive amounts of torque, just think of the Bugatti. BMW chose not to invest in that development for cost reasons.

Right, I wish I could change the "could" to "would".

I'd imagine this gt500 could be close to 100k, either way, I would not consider one in the first year, sounds like a lot of new tech for ford to fix.

Arcades · 01-22-2019, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3

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Originally Posted by dkhm3

If ford and tremec can build a dct able to handle this type of torque on what I suppose is a longitudinal front engine platform, I am ashamed that bmw could not on the new m5 or the new upcoming m3 with what I assume is the zf 8.

For those of you that say the zf8 is as good as a dct, go drive a pdk on a porsche.

It's not that they could not technically, it's quite possible to design DCT built to handle massive amounts of torque, just think of the Bugatti. BMW chose not to invest in that development for cost reasons.

I wish they would (BMW). M-DCT is unique, losing it because BMW likes to use whatever is most performance oriented choice is exactly why so many are afraid of BMW ditching 6MT or why everyone loves the E46 or E92.

An Auto is boring as hell no matter how good the ZF8 is.

minn19 · 01-22-2019, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dkhm3

Right, I wish I could change the "could" to "would".

I'd imagine this gt500 could be close to 100k, either way, I would not consider one in the first year, sounds like a lot of new tech for ford to fix.

That plus the most likely 4000 plus pound weight. I assume it'll handle great with the mag ride/track package, but that is a heavy car.

Arcades · 01-22-2019, 04:00 PM

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That plus the most likely 4000 plus pound weight. I assume it'll handle great with the mag ride/track package, but that is a heavy car.

You know what other car is 4000 lbs?

The Lexus RC-F... :P

ntg44 · 01-22-2019, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Humdizzle

its a ford. Just look inside and feel the buttons and materials. Look at the resale value of older GT500s as well.

There is more to a car than performance.

I could just be brand biased, but I agree with you on this. I don’t really care about cheap materials. I was perfectly content with my 09 wrx interior. Not that the M3’s interior is extravagant or anything, but there’s something about ford’s/ mustang’s interior design that just really bugs me. My good friend bought a 07 mustang and 2012 boss 302, both brand new at the time, and I could never get into either of them. Maybe I’m just not a mustang guy, which is okay.

I do love the seats they put in their performance models the last few generations though. Super comfortable and supportive.

minn19 · 01-22-2019, 04:23 PM

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You know what other car is 4000 lbs?

The Lexus RC-F... :P

The one thing I’ll give Ford is that they put a hell of a lot more effort into the latest Shelby’s from a development/risk taking standpoint. Unfortunately they don’t execute or back up their products as well as Toyota. But, at least they are interesting unlike the latest Toyota’s.

ntg44 · 01-22-2019, 04:34 PM

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The one thing I’ll give Ford is that they put a hell of a lot more effort into the latest Shelby’s from a development/risk taking standpoint. Unfortunately they don’t execute or back up their products as well as Toyota. But, at least they are interesting unlike the latest Toyota’s.

SOO much this.

As big as Toyota is, the mkv Supra is a joke compared to what ford does with its mustang lineup from the GT-up. I gave them a pass for codeveloping the 86 with Subaru. They were testing the waters. Unless Toyota is still recouping the costs from the LFA or something, they had no excuse releasing their own Z4/M240i. So much potential even if they just used the powertrain and made their own car. But maybe this was their vision fully realized and I know nothing.

Props to ford though. Nobody can deny they still care about their enthusiasts.

dkhm3 · 01-22-2019, 04:38 PM

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Props to ford though. Nobody can deny they still care about their enthusiasts.

+1

It is no accident that the peak of ICE powerplants come at the end as well, we are going to be looking at hybrids and EV sports cars soon enough, it would be good to enjoy your v8 muscle cars now.

MSport28 · 02-08-2019, 12:06 AM

I think some people forget on this thread and the M3/M4 vs. GT350 thread that just because two cars cost about the same money does not make them competitors. I've owned multiple Mustangs over the years, including a Shelby, and would not hesitate to buy another one. In fact, I have an allocation in process on a 2019 GT350R. The point is, Ford isn't building the Mustang to compete against BMW, so panel fitment, perfect paint, and leather-wrapped interiors aren't "necessary" in a Mustang. Sure, some will argue that if they're going to spend $65-80k on a car they expect a certain level of quality, but the Ford and the BMW are built for entirely different purposes. If I want to cruise in style, blow the doors off most anything beside supercars, carve canyons on the weekend, and sit in traffic during the week, the M3 is wonderful. But if I want an old school muscle car with a screaming V8, mechanical feel, and the ability to track on the weekend without fear of getting a rock chip, the Shelby's are my choice.

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MSport28 Private First Class 79 Rep 153 Posts Drives: F80 M3 / G30 540 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Phoenix, AZ iTrader: (0)	I think some people forget on this thread and the M3/M4 vs. GT350 thread that just because two cars cost about the same money does not make them competitors. I've owned multiple Mustangs over the years, including a Shelby, and would not hesitate to buy another one. In fact, I have an allocation in process on a 2019 GT350R. The point is, Ford isn't building the Mustang to compete against BMW, so panel fitment, perfect paint, and leather-wrapped interiors aren't "necessary" in a Mustang. Sure, some will argue that if they're going to spend $65-80k on a car they expect a certain level of quality, but the Ford and the BMW are built for entirely different purposes. If I want to cruise in style, blow the doors off most anything beside supercars, carve canyons on the weekend, and sit in traffic during the week, the M3 is wonderful. But if I want an old school muscle car with a screaming V8, mechanical feel, and the ability to track on the weekend without fear of getting a rock chip, the Shelby's are my choice.
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