2015 M3 and M4 pictures and specs leaked!!!

[basscadet]

I was looking for a fun cheap car to lease that was more practical than my GT-R.

Now people are saying this thing is going to over $1k a month for a lease. For $1250 I can get an M5.

Do you all think this thing will be a 1000 dollar lease? I don't mind waiting until June but I am going to be upset if I wait until June only to find out that I have to pay M5 lease prices for an M3!

[ASQUARE]

Beautiful cars I will get one next year preferable a convertible.

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Your words are marked

Read the Autocar article. They do say the F8X is quicker by 0.5s to 100 than the E9X...

It's not going to be quicker by .5 sec, most car mags have the DCT E90/92 M3 at 3.9 - 4.1 sec to 60 mph. Like I said before, maybe 2 tenths quicker to 62mph but definitely not 5 tenths.

DCT F80/82 numbers vs DCT E90/90 M3 numbers using the same predictor.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

2 things.

1. Incomes did not go up by 10% in 6 years.
2. Please check the F30 pricing and tell me how much that one increased. How come the same rules don't apply there? If 328 went up by 12-15%, I wonder where BMW's sales would be.

I am not negative all the time. I like the new car. I am just being more realistic and I'd like to show some different perspective to others for a change since most responses here are comments like "drooling" or "sex on the wheels" from 20 year olds.

I'll try and answer your two questions

1: Incomes did not go up by 10% in 6 years.
Income and inflation are two separate things, which usually reflect on each other. If not, the buying power of the public diminishes. If you have a inflation of 3% the raise in income should also be around 3% (or a bit higher).

But inflation means that it's also more expensive to manufacture since all of the materials used in manufacturing becomes more expensive. To adjust for that, the price of the finished product also increases. So with an inflation of 10%, the price of commodities also rises by around 10%.

If income only increased by 8%, then that means that some people that could just barely afford a M3 in 2007 will not be able to afford it in 2014...

But anyway, according to WolframAlpha, the "National income year over year percent change" for the USA is 4,5% / year


http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=income+usa

So, I should say that the US average income has gone up by more than 10% over a 6 year period...


2. Please check the F30 pricing and tell me how much that one increased. How come the same rules don't apply there? If 328 went up by 12-15%, I wonder where BMW's sales would be.

According to USNews the 2007 328i MSRP was $32,400
According to BMWUSA the 2013 328i MSRP is $37,300

That equates to a 15% increase in MSRP. Hmmm.... Yes, I do wonder what would have happened to 328i sales if they only adjusted 10% for inflation and not 15%

[drewdogg808]

Originally Posted by basscadet

I was looking for a fun cheap car to lease that was more practical than my GT-R.

Now people are saying this thing is going to over $1k a month for a lease. For $1250 I can get an M5.

Do you all think this thing will be a 1000 dollar lease? I don't mind waiting until June but I am going to be upset if I wait until June only to find out that I have to pay M5 lease prices for an M3!

Depending on taxes, mileage, etc...

My current e92 M3 is almost 1K/month for 36 months, 15K miles/year.
Texas has crazy taxes, and this is with 7 MSDs.
Not to mention residuals will not be good on a new model....

[///M Power-Belgium]

Just read on German site new ///M3-4 has a burn out mode

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

You are wrong because average person in the USA cannot afford a BMW. You need to consider the top 10% in which case you will see that the overall wealth has gone down let alone staying flat. I live in a high income area and I have a lot of people around me between the ages of 25 and 45. Noone has seen a single increase in their income for 5 years now and some saw decreases. These are doctors, lawyers, and managing directors in investment banks. My rent, insurance, kids school tuition, and pretty much everything has gone up by 10%, but my income is what it was 5 years ago. Not saying I am poor, but I now get to save much less and expenses such as an M3 now has to be taken seriously whereas before I wouldnt even bother checking how much a $2500 option adds to my monthly payment. The bubble burst in 2007 and there is no more bubble. We all have to live and be happy with less.

You have a point in manufacturing costs but the same costs apply to 328 and 335 no? If i remember correctly, those cars did not go up in price at all. They went up by 2k but now a 2.5k navigation is included in all. Why cant BMW do the same especially since they saved so much R&D cost for not developing a new engine and going cost reduction across the board? If they reduced cost, we as the customer should also benefit from that, no?

See my edited reply that also includes the increase for the 328i at 15% from 2007 to 2013.

I'm not saying that you and your friends earn more now than you did in 2007. But my friend, you represent a VERY small percentage of US population. Are you saying that the statistics are wrong and since you haven't had a pay rise, no one else in the US has either. Last time I checked there wasn't a deflation in the US...

And now we need to consider the top 10%, where you previously stated that even the lower 20% in Manhattan and LA could afford a M3

BMW sales in the US increases as can be seen here:
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=922796

Not sure who has the facts wrong here...

First claiming the F8x had a 10% increase in MSRP without taking into consideration inflation and that the 328i would not sell if the increase had been around 12-15%
Then claiming that the statistics on income increase per year must be wrong and have been less than 10% over 6 years

Some research shows that:

The 328i had a 15% increase in MSRP from 2007 to 2013
BMW set a new sales record in the US in November 2013

I rest my case

[Dave2011M3]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

I think the e92 started well below that in 2008, in the upper 50s. like 56-57k?

I know the e90 was closer to 54-55k....

both crept up over time.

im really interested in the starting price of the sedan and what the actual features the base model will have are. if its really stripped and needs a bunch of options to be modestly equipped (leather seats, power seats, maybe nav) I will be disappointed as it will creep close to 70K which is a lot for a car.

Prices did go up over time, but BMW also added more standard features. In 08 if you wanted USB, MDrive and all of this it was an option. Its now standard. Not to mention the devaluation of the dollar during the 2008 credit crunch.

I don't think the F3X M cars will be that much more expensive than the outgoing E9X models, maybe a few thousand more.

You start going above this it makes the 991 look more appetizing especially if you lease.

Have you seen the 2yr. leases on 991s. Pretty darn good.



Dave

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

I can swear seeing on this very site the news about 335 price staying same due to nav being standard.

The 2012 F30 328i went up $300 over the outgoing 2012 E90 328i

But, remember that the increase on just $300 was in the same year. Even the same month. You can't have a 15% increase over night, the increase needs to follow inflation.

And, remember that the comparison between the E90 M3 and F8x was between a 2007 and a 2014 model. There is a 7 year time span here to consider

BTW: The UK price for the 2014 F80 M3 is 2,5% higher than the 2012 E90 M3 (£56,175 vs £54,720). Meaning that there is only a 2,5% increase in MSRP from the 2012 model to the 2014 model. Less than inflation.

[datbimmerdoe]

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by US///M3

It's not going to be quicker by .5 sec, most car mags have the DCT E90/92 M3 at 3.9 - 4.1 sec to 60 mph. Like I said before, maybe 2 tenths quicker to 62mph but definitely not 5 tenths.

DCT F80/82 numbers vs DCT E90/90 M3 numbers using the same predictor.

We have not been discussing "real world" numbers here. Only official BMW quoted numbers...

[Swancoat]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

You are wrong because average person in the USA cannot afford a BMW. You need to consider the top 10% in which case you will see that the overall wealth has gone down let alone staying flat. I live in a high income area and I have a lot of people around me between the ages of 25 and 45. Noone has seen a single increase in their income for 5 years now and some saw decreases. These are doctors, lawyers, and managing directors in investment banks. My rent, insurance, kids school tuition, and pretty much everything has gone up by 10%, but my income is what it was 5 years ago. Not saying I am poor, but I now get to save much less and expenses such as an M3 now has to be taken seriously whereas before I wouldnt even bother checking how much a $2500 option adds to my monthly payment. The bubble burst in 2007 and there is no more bubble. We all have to live and be happy with less.

You have a point in manufacturing costs but the same costs apply to 328 and 335 no? If i remember correctly, those cars did not go up in price at all. They went up by 2k but now a 2.5k navigation is included in all. Why cant BMW do the same especially since they saved so much R&D cost for not developing a new engine and going cost reduction across the board? If they reduced cost, we as the customer should also benefit from that, no?

Dude, is your point here that the Rich are getting POORER?

[basscadet]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

I told you in your other thread that you wont see under 1k/month. And you'll only get 1k/month on a car with no options and manual transmission. All M cars get a terrible mid to low 50s residual for at least 1 year. Take 66k as base price and do the math yourself. Add 7% tax and 1k fees. Its 36k on a 5% APR comes to 975-1k or so. And that 5% is an unbelievable MF, realistically it will be 6 or more.

Yes, I know. I am not arguing with you, just trying to see if any others would disagree with you.

I need a car and have been waiting for the M3. That said, my interest in the M3 was only for a lease and I just think $1k+ for a 3-series car is silly, especially if M5's are going for $1200 range now. If your confidence in this matter is high and others agree with you, I'm gonna have to raincheck the M3 and find something else to drive until the new Mustang GT 350, Z06 are out OR M3 lease rates are competitive.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Boss330

I'll try and answer your two questions

1: Incomes did not go up by 10% in 6 years.
Income and inflation are two separate things, which usually reflect on each other. If not, the buying power of the public diminishes. If you have a inflation of 3% the raise in income should also be around 3% (or a bit higher).

But inflation means that it's also more expensive to manufacture since all of the materials used in manufacturing becomes more expensive. To adjust for that, the price of the finished product also increases. So with an inflation of 10%, the price of commodities also rises by around 10%.

If income only increased by 8%, then that means that some people that could just barely afford a M3 in 2007 will not be able to afford it in 2014...

But anyway, according to WolframAlpha, the "National income year over year percent change" for the USA is 4,5% / year


http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=income+usa

So, I should say that the US average income has gone up by more than 10% over a 6 year period...


2. Please check the F30 pricing and tell me how much that one increased. How come the same rules don't apply there? If 328 went up by 12-15%, I wonder where BMW's sales would be.

According to USNews the 2007 328i MSRP was $32,400
According to BMWUSA the 2013 328i MSRP is $37,300

That equates to a 15% increase in MSRP. Hmmm.... Yes, I do wonder what would have happened to 328i sales if they only adjusted 10% for inflation and not 15%

I guess we are finally getting a break up here in the Canadian north. We are finally seeing the benefits of the strength of the Canadian dollar. Back in 1999 I was shopping for a loaded 328i (the top line 3-series model at the time), and it came out at $63k before taxes . I passed and decided to wait for the M3.

The F10 M5 saw a $15k price drop compared to the E60 M5 when it was introduced.

Further, the recent free trade agreement between the EU and Canada should also give us another 6.1% duty break.

So I am hoping the F8X will be priced on par with, if not less than, the outgoing E9X for us

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by basscadet

Yes, I know. I am not arguing with you, just trying to see if any others would disagree with you.

I need a car and have been waiting for the M3. That said, my interest in the M3 was only for a lease and I just think $1k+ for a 3-series car is silly, especially if M5's are going for $1200 range now. If your confidence in this matter is high and others agree with you, I'm gonna have to raincheck the M3 and find something else to drive until the new Mustang GT 350, Z06 are out OR M3 lease rates are competitive.

ya lease rates are around 1k on M3 easy. idk if you are new to leaseing BMWs or what. but 1k a month on a car that cost 70-80k is not that bad.

i also question the prices of the M5 you listed. i see them on lots with sticker price of 110k all day. 1200 a month would be to low for normal lease payments.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

That is where the disconnect is. I assumed a 15% MSRP increase on M3 over 2012 pricing. If its over 2007, maybe not so bad. Then how much is it?

Eeehhh, it's stated as 2,5% in the post you just replied to

But remember that the E90 M3 price in that post was from 2012 (last production year) and that the quoted F80 price is for a 2014 model. So the 2,5% increase is over a 2 year span.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Ezio

ya lease rates are around 1k on M3 easy. idk if you are new to leaseing BMWs or what. but 1k a month on a car that cost 70-80k is not that bad.

i also question the prices of the M5 you listed. i see them on lots with sticker price of 110k all day. 1200 a month would be to low for normal lease payments.

BMW lease rates are pretty good. If you only add lighting, executive and the 20" wheels to the M5 you come out around 103K and with a good discount and with the residual of 59% for 10K/36 mos you can get the monthly payment with taxes under 1300/month but it is close.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by gblansten

BMW lease rates are pretty good. If you only add lighting, executive and the 20" wheels to the M5 you come out around 103K and with a good discount and with the residual of 59% for 10K/36 mos you can get the monthly payment with taxes under 1300/month but it is close.

10k miles a year and base M5. thats lame if you ask me though.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Ezio

10k miles a year and base M5. thats lame if you ask me though.

I was thinking about being lame.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I was thinking about being lame.

well as long as you can admit it

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Ezio

well as long as you can admit it

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by W///

I will say, the M4 does look a lot better in these pics than I thought. But as of right now, I'd say YMB M3 all the way for me.



By far the biggest BS in this thread. Look at just this thread alone and see how many people have E9x M3 in their sigs. Just leave if you already don't like the car without even seeing it, yet alone driving it.

You're officially my favorite e92 M3 owner lol