Volk Racing TE37 Gallery For F80/82

[narudnad]

I’ve got my eye on some bronze te37 sl 18x10.5 et20 square. Thoughts on any clearance issues? Spacers needed? Is it super aggressive? Thinking of running falken 285/40 tires. I’m on MP HAS kit. TIA!

[Jbonly21]

Originally Posted by narudnad

Hey Jbonly21
Are these te37 sl? If so what center caps are you running? Also any spacers at all?

OG TE37 no spacer 18X10 +25, eBay center caps.

[heymarkv]

Originally Posted by jaassoonnyii

Update: threw the mag blue set on 18x9.5+22 18x11+34 275/35 front 315/30 in the rear

The photos of you at Laguna Seca are so sick!

[MineralWhiteF80]

Originally Posted by narudnad

I’ve got my eye on some bronze te37 sl 18x10.5 et20 square. Thoughts on any clearance issues? Spacers needed? Is it super aggressive? Thinking of running falken 285/40 tires. I’m on MP HAS kit. TIA!

Here are my comments in red text:

Thoughts on any clearance issues?
You will have lots of clearance issues with basic alignment settings, especially with MP HAS kit. This wheel size is a very common "track car" setup, but you need the correct suspension design and alignment specs to fit it.
You will need substantial negative camber in the front (-3.5 or more, depending) that requires installing camber plates and running a real "track oriented" alignment. Rear, the wheel and tire will stick out of the wheel arch a good bit at -2.0 camber. You will need probably -2.5 degrees rear camber to get it to work without rubbing a lot.

Spacers needed?
Front= yes, you will need at least a 5 mm spacer and depending on the MP HAS kit, you may need even more to have at least 3mm between tire and suspension.
Rear= NO. You are already about as aggressive as you can get.

Is it super aggressive?
Very aggressive and really only recommended for an aggressive track car alignment with the appropriate sized set of coilovers and spring perch heights.

Thinking of running falken 285/40 tires.
Horrible idea. a 40 series 285 tire is extremely tall (27 inch diameter) for the front axle and you will be rubbing A LOT on turns, not to mention it will look like a fat SUV/Truck tire. Try to stick with a 26.3" diameter or less for the front axle (285/35/18, 275/35/18, 295/30/18). Assuming you meant 285/30/18 tire, that tire is actually a little too small diameter and thin sidewall; it will work just fine but not the best choice.

[narudnad]

MineralWhiteF80 first off thank you for replying and for the info. I’m probably splitting hairs at this point, but would 18x10 +25 make a whole lot of difference to your previous comments? Seems everyone here is either running 18x10 square or 18x9.5/11 staggard for the most part. I’ve got no problem with running camber, and forgot to mention I have millway camber plates with the HAS kit.

[peter275]

18x10.5 +20 Squared
285/35 All around
1.9 Camber
EMD Springs
No spacer on stock struts but its a tight fit

[MineralWhiteF80]

Originally Posted by narudnad

I’m probably splitting hairs at this point, but would 18x10 +25 make a whole lot of difference to your previous comments?

yes, it definitely will. An 18x10 +25 wheel simply affords you the ability to run less negative camber (stock -1.75 to -2.0) so the tire doesn't stick as far outside of the fender as a 10.5 +20 and is a better option for street driving. On the track, more negative camber is great and not an issue.

With a stock strut and lowering spring setup, you have a lot more inner clearance that allows people like peter275 to run much less negative camber fitting the 10.5" +20 easier. When you go to some coilovers or a HAS system, you lose inner clearance. This forces you to add a spacer to gain inner clearance back, but then that pushes the outer side of the wheel/tire out more, and to tuck the wheel back under the fender during suspension compression, you need to add more negative camber.

For example, here is my car with KW V3 coilovers, an 18x10" +25 and 275/35/18 tire with and without a 5 mm spacer. You will see that without a spacer (right image), there is about a business card worth of gap, which is too little. With a 5mm spacer, I get 5.5mm of gap and at -2.0 negative camber, the tire still fits inside the fender. If I had a 10.5" +20 without a spacer it would fit tighter than the right-side image, and that forces the addition of a 5mm spacer, which pushes the wheel out 11 mm MORE than the 10" +25, which is already sticking out the fender by 5 mm.

The main delima then becomes the power of an F8x car demands some wide tires. A 275 or 285 doesn't provide a lot traction when cold on the street, and even hot track tires in those sizes dont give a lot of grip in slow corner exits.

[narudnad]

Thanks for the feedback MineralWhiteF80. Sounds like 18x10 is the way to go. Appreciate the help!

[MineralWhiteF80]

Originally Posted by narudnad

Thanks for the feedback MineralWhiteF80. Sounds like 18x10 is the way to go. Appreciate the help!

It's a catch 22 really , and there is no perfect option. Long story short, I think an 18x10 with a 275 wide rear tire is too narrow for the F8x in most situations. On the street, you dont have a lot of traction with a 275 tire because the tire isnt up to temp ever, and on the track, a 275 leaves a lot on the table if you are chasing lap times.

The problem with the F8x platform is that it makes a lot of power, and putting that power to the ground is always difficult.

If you are planning on using a square 18x10" and a 275/35/18 tire setup for track duty, you need to consider if your talent or pace is compatible with a 275mm wide tire. A 275 square track setup for an F8x is completely doable and fine, lots of people run this and seem happy. My E92 track car does great with a 275 square setup, but when I track my M4, I always feel like I don't have enough rear tire and I have to drive the car slower to take care of the tires. Id be on a 10.5" +20 and 295/30/18 square setup if I had to buy new track wheels/tires right now. But I'd also need to change suspension to do it correctly.

The issue starts with suspension like the MP HAS or KW V3 coilovers, you forced into a situation where it's easier to run narrower wheels and tires, but that limits your grip to point.


EDIT: and some photos to stay on topic white TEs are 18x10 with 275/35/18 RE71R with 5mm spacer. Bronze are front 19x9.5 +21 with 5mm spacer and rear 19x10.5 +35 with 12 mm spacer 265/35 and 285/35 PS4S tires

[stugotz]

So is the consensus that 295/30/19 fits best on an f80 m3? I don’t want to run lots of negative camber. Does anyone have issues with traction control due to this sizing? It would be paired with 265/35/19 up front. Teaser pic for now.

[Johnny250]

Originally Posted by stugotz

So is the consensus that 295/30/19 fits best on an f80 m3? I don’t want to run lots of negative camber. Does anyone have issues with traction control due to this sizing? It would be paired with 265/35/19 up front. Teaser pic for now.

It’ll fit fine, might need to run a little bit of camber.

Are you the stugotz on the lebatard show?

[stugotz]

Originally Posted by Johnny250

It’ll fit fine, might need to run a little bit of camber.

Are you the stugotz on the lebatard show?

Nope that’s not me (had to goggle what it was haha)

So no traction control issues even with the rear diameter being slightly smaller than front? I thought about 295/35/19 but that seems to be smaller contact area vs the 295/30/19 by a decent amount.

[MineralWhiteF80]

Originally Posted by stugotz

So is the consensus that 295/30/19 fits best on an f80 m3? I don’t want to run lots of negative camber. Does anyone have issues with traction control due to this sizing? It would be paired with 265/35/19 up front. Teaser pic for now.

No, you should not use a 295/30/19 rear tire when paired with a front 265/35/19. That would make the rear tire diameter smaller than the front, and you actually need the rear tire to ideally be 0.5" to 0.6" larger than the front tire to maintain the OEM BMW diameter offset.

What size/offset rear wheel are you going to run? It might be better to rethink your front tire size (depending on both front/rear wheel size/offsets).

[stugotz]

Originally Posted by MineralWhiteF80

No, you should not use a 295/30/19 rear tire when paired with a front 265/35/19. That would make the rear tire diameter smaller than the front, and you actually need the rear tire to ideally be 0.5" to 0.6" larger than the front tire to maintain the OEM BMW diameter offset.

What size/offset rear wheel are you going to run? It might be better to rethink your front tire size (depending on both front/rear wheel size/offsets).

Front
19x9.5 ET23

Rear
19x11 ET37

Am I better off with 275/30/19 for the front then? Or 265/30/19?

Or can I squeeze 305/30/19 in the rear?

Car is lowered on MPHAS.

Picture of how it sits currently

[MineralWhiteF80]

Originally Posted by stugotz

Am I better off with 275/30/19 for the front then? Or 265/30/19? Or can I squeeze 305/30/19 in the rear?

Car is lowered on MPHAS.

Almost ALL the TE37 sizes were never very friendly (nor specifically designed) for the F8x chassis, so there are always some compromises. While subjective, this chassis has no "perfect fitment" TE37 that satisfies ideal width, diameter and diameter stagger percentage, so tire size compromises or wheel spacers are required for most TE37 sizes.

I'd highly recommend rereading this thread or do a search within this thread for "19x11" and "+37". You will see most F80 cars run a maximum of a 295 rear tire. The F80 wheel arch can accept a little less tire than an F82 chassis. Most people are choosing a 265/35/19 and 295/30/19 rear which is not ideal whatsoever, but seems like it's working .

Providing tire size recommendations start with choosing one specific tire, since all tires brands/models may measure differently. With that said, I am assuming we are talking about the Michelin PS4S tire. A 275/30/19 front and 295/30/19 rear would probably be your best bet with your indicated wheel widths/offsets as it satisfies most parameters the best; the sidewall thickness is on the skinnier side, but still not unacceptable. A 305-wide tire is a little too wide for the 11" +37 unless you are OK with a little rubbing at extreme circumstances and adding some considerable extra camber to get it to fit. A 265/35 and 295/35 would be ideal, but like you said the 295/35 PS4S has a very narrow tread width (less than a 285/35). The downsides of the 275/30 front is the sidewall height is a little on the skinny side but not terrible. A 265/30 is definitely too skinny.

[Ant_tc]

Originally Posted by stugotz

Front
19x9.5 ET23

Rear
19x11 ET37

Am I better off with 275/30/19 for the front then? Or 265/30/19?

Or can I squeeze 305/30/19 in the rear?

Car is lowered on MPHAS.

Picture of how it sits currently

305/30R19 fits in the rear, but you’re gonna need -2.5~ camber to clear. It might still rub the inner liner though.

[stugotz]

I ended up going with the 265/35/19 and 295/30/19 sizes. So far no issues with traction control kicking in anymore than it used to. Also based on how this fits a 305 would need quite a bit more camber and begs to question do you actually benefit from the wider tire compared to the 295? Either way I’m super happpy with the setup. If any issues do end up arising I’ll report back.

[JunM]

Just ordered a set of 19x9.5/19x11 M-Specs for the F82!

Is there anyone running this set-up with Bilstein PSS10s OR Ohlins R&T? Just wanted to make sure there's no clearance issues before investing in adjustables.

Will be the standard 265/35F and 295/30R MPS4S pairing.

[MineralWhiteF80]

Originally Posted by JunM

Just ordered a set of 19x9.5/19x11 M-Specs for the F82!

Is there anyone running this set-up with Bilstein PSS10s OR Ohlins R&T? Just wanted to make sure there's no clearance issues before investing in adjustables.

Will be the standard 265/35F and 295/30R MPS4S pairing.

Assuming your front wheel is the 9.5" +23 offset size in the M-Spec, you will not have any problems clearing any coilover suspension for the front.

If you want an even flusher fit, you could add a 5mm spacers at all four corners. Just depends on your preference, ride height and camber specs.

[JunM]

Originally Posted by MineralWhiteF80

Assuming your front wheel is the 9.5" +23 offset size in the M-Spec, you will not have any problems clearing any coilover suspension for the front.

If you want an even flusher fit, you could add a 5mm spacers at all four corners. Just depends on your preference, ride height and camber specs.

Mate you're a wealth of knowledge, thank you for the help! Bit unfortunate spacers are illegal here in Australia... hoping to share photos to this thread soon!

[narudnad]

Part of the gang now…
Gloss Black 18x10 +25 square | 275/35/18
I posted a write up in the general forum if anyone’s interested. Thanks again MineralWhiteF80 and Original!

[Original]

Originally Posted by narudnad

Part of the gang now…
Gloss Black 18x10 +25 square | 275/35/18
I posted a write up in the general forum if anyone’s interested. Thanks again MineralWhiteF80 and Original!

So good! Car looks great Dan.