Anyone go from an F80 M3 to 718 Cayman S?

[2011zx10R]

Originally Posted by mnikhil

MSRP: $60,890
Monthly: $980/mo (with tax)
Mileage: 12k/Yr
Term: 3yr
No Down Payment


Definitely not a deal but I can live with the numbers.

There is no such thing as a good deal in my opinion.

The best deal is the one you can afford.

Someone paid more, someone paid less and someone paid way to much...
Get what you like enjoy it!

My buddy picked up a Macan GTS after test driving everything in that price point. He paid more because he wanted the Porsche over the BMW, Audi, MB etc.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by 2011zx10R

There is no such thing as a good deal in my opinion.

The best deal is the one you can afford.

Someone paid more, someone paid less and someone paid way to much...
Get what you like enjoy it!

My buddy picked up a Macan GTS after test driving everything in that price point. He paid more because he wanted the Porsche over the BMW, Audi, MB etc.

There are definitely bad deals, like people who pay $900+/mo to lease “m”340

[mnikhil]

Originally Posted by 2011zx10R

There is no such thing as a good deal in my opinion.

The best deal is the one you can afford.

Someone paid more, someone paid less and someone paid way to much...
Get what you like enjoy it!

My buddy picked up a Macan GTS after test driving everything in that price point. He paid more because he wanted the Porsche over the BMW, Audi, MB etc.

I couldn't agree more! You cannot put a price on happiness

[mnikhil]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

There are definitely bad deals, like people who pay $900+/mo to lease “m”340

lol BMW leases have gotten a little out of hand as of late.

[alfonseexists]

Originally Posted by EricSMG

No doubt that a 718s is going to be "better" than an M4Z in the twistiest, if nothing more than due to less weight/size... BUT... I can't let this comment go without responding.

The F80/2 ZCP is an amazing corner carver. One of the most responsive/direct/precise handling cars ever designed. You saying that you "want a much better" twisty road burner tells me that either A) you're not actually, really, driving your M4 that hard in the twisties or B) you come strictly from small cars and simply haven't grown comfortable with your M4 (which means that you really fall into A in that you're not driving it or you would be very comfortable).

Please clarify what you mean, because your insinuation that the M4 ZCP isn't good in the twisties is laughable, at best. If there's ONE thing it's good at it's that.

Having driven both on tracks and in rural twisty roads at speed( I have many hours of track time) I simply prefer the feel of the cayman gts. Prefer the feel of the manual in the Porsche as well. I’d rather walk than have an automatic. I’m not any companies fan boy. The m4 is fun but the Porsche simply suits me better. This is a vs forum. Not a fan boy forum. I don’t need to clarify anything for you.

[EricSMG]

Originally Posted by alfonseexists

Having driven both on tracks and in rural twisty roads at speed( I have many hours of track time) I simply prefer the feel of the cayman gts. Prefer the feel of the manual in the Porsche as well. I’d rather walk than have an automatic. I’m not any companies fan boy. The m4 is fun but the Porsche simply suits me better. This is a vs forum. Not a fan boy forum. I don’t need to clarify anything for you.

Well, thank you for clarifying.

"You simply prefer" makes sense and is reasonable. Wanting something that's "much better" is utter nonsense and makes you sound clueless.

And who's talking about automatics?

For the record, I've always lusted over the 718s, actually cross-shopped it with my F80, so not a fanboy either. Chose the F80 because the deal was right and I love beefy sedans. Will for sure have a 718s in my life in the near future and I know two things: I will LOVE it and no matter how good it may be it will never change the fact that the F8XZCP is a wicked corner carver.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by EricSMG

Well, thank you for clarifying.

"You simply prefer" makes sense and is reasonable. Wanting something that's "much better" is utter nonsense and makes you sound clueless.

And who's talking about automatics?

For the record, I've always lusted over the 718s, actually cross-shopped it with my F80, so not a fanboy either. Chose the F80 because the deal was right and I love beefy sedans. Will for sure have a 718s in my life in the near future and I know two things: I will LOVE it and no matter how good it may be it will never change the fact that the F8XZCP is a wicked corner carver.

I don’t think anyone said the M3 couldn’t turn but it’s not in the same league as a Cayman/GTS. And this car still is only a fraction of what a GT2/3/4/RS can do.

Just for comparison sake.

VIR Lightning Lap

M4 (power to weight of ~8.3) 3:00.7 on summer tires
Cayman GTS (power to weight of ~8.5) 2:56.7 on summer tires
M4 GTS (power to weight of ~6.9) 2:52.9 on cup tires

[Humdizzle]

i haven't driven a cayman. but i do have a 458. different engine characteristics for sure but the mid engine layout is the same. Mid engine cars just feel totally different. The turn in and balance through a corner just can't be replicated. The M3 will feel like a sporty car, but the cayman will feel like you are driving a gokart

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

i haven't driven a cayman. but i do have a 458. different engine characteristics for sure but the mid engine layout is the same. Mid engine cars just feel totally different. The turn in and balance through a corner just can't be replicated. The M3 will feel like a sporty car, but the cayman will feel like you are driving a gokart

If you don’t mind me asking, how hard are you driving your 458 and how hard did you drive m3?

I feel the f80 is unfairly criticized for needing to be driven very hard to be engaging, while the focused sports car feel more fun regardless of how you are driving it

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

If you don’t mind me asking, how hard are you driving your 458 and how hard did you drive m3?

I feel the f80 is unfairly criticized for needing to be driven very hard to be engaging, while the focused sports car feel more fun regardless of how you are driving it

i'd say I drive them fairly hard. I usually leave the Ferrari in 'CT-off' mode so I can have wheelspin and slide the car a bit on my favorite backroads. I've had it to about 180mph before chickening out. It is more 'dramatic' I guess just driving it normally around town. everything is more immediate than the m3. you feel the engine vibrating the car. the roof is only a little higher than the M3s mirrors so you feel like you're sitting on the pavement.

The M3 I'm still getting used to. only had it about 2 months now and maybe 1000 miles. I've just pulled a few small drifts here and there with dsc off, hit the 155 limiter, etc . its honestly more of handful than the Ferrari when you push it because of the engine being turbo, the lag that comes with it, and the car being so refined. The inputs don't give you an immediate response like the 458 or e92 m3. But that makes it kind of fun as well...

But driving around town the M3 feels no different than my f30. Probably about the same as my gtr except the gtr felt a bit more planted and had a hydraulic rack.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

The M3 I'm still getting used to. only had it about 2 months now and maybe 1000 miles. I've just pulled a few small drifts here and there with dsc off, hit the 155 limiter, etc . its honestly more of handful

But driving around town the M3 feels no different than my f30. Probably about the same as my gtr except the gtr felt a bit more planted and had a hydraulic rack.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

Owners of f80 who don’t use dsc off and dont drive hard, will basically have a 328.

In your 458 and other focused sports cars, you feel the vibrations and seating position and other “feel” elements even if you are going 40mph to the grocery

So I think when people say “omg I sold my f80 and got a base 981 and it’s so much more fun blah blah” needs a huge grain of salt and deeper dive into that poster’s usage pattern

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

I think you hit the nail on the head.

Owners of f80 who don’t use dsc off and dont drive hard, will basically have a 328.

In your 458 and other focused sports cars, you feel the vibrations and seating position and other “feel” elements even if you are going 40mph to the grocery

So I think when people say “omg I sold my f80 and got a base 981 and it’s so much more fun blah blah” needs a huge grain of salt and deeper dive into that poster’s usage pattern

Doesn't that story and quote contradict what you are trying to say? The fact that you don't need to necessarily push a true sports car like a Ferrari or a Porsche to its limits in order for it to feel engaging compared to the M3 which you say requires traction off and aggressive driving otherwise it feels like a base model 3 series.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

I think you hit the nail on the head.

Owners of f80 who don’t use dsc off and dont drive hard, will basically have a 328.

In your 458 and other focused sports cars, you feel the vibrations and seating position and other “feel” elements even if you are going 40mph to the grocery

So I think when people say “omg I sold my f80 and got a base 981 and it’s so much more fun blah blah” needs a huge grain of salt and deeper dive into that poster’s usage pattern

Hey that's me! It's true though, when you're just cruising around town in the F80, not pushing it, it's a non-event.. feels similar to an F30. The Cayman was "always on" and felt special just puttering around town; similar to my e92 M3. The rumble of the engine and mechanical sounds it made at low speeds still made it feel special.

My biggest complaint with the F80 was it's strongest characterstic... it was almost too good at being a dual-use car (good daily, good sporty car) that it got boring on my commute (DCT didn't help) which was 99.5% of my use of the car. I will say the M2 is a good compromise between the 981 and F80... the 6mt helps.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Doesn't that story and quote contradict what you are trying to say? The fact that you don't need to necessarily push a true sports car like a Ferrari or a Porsche to its limits in order for it to feel engaging compared to the M3 which you say requires traction off and aggressive driving otherwise it feels like a base model 3 series.

I think JTO24 said what I was trying to say better

My biggest complaint with the F80 was it's strongest characterstic... it was almost too good at being a dual-use car (good daily, good sporty car) that it got boring on my commute (DCT didn't help) which was 99.5% of my use of the car.

If someone is bored with F80 and wants to switch, I think it’s important to understand why before taking that feedback as a knock against F80.

A person who switches because they want “always on” feeling even in their commute isn’t necessarily a knock on f80. It’s just that person has a preference that differs from the f80 design intent of being “dual use” and intentionally getting out of your way and feeling like an f30 in the daily slug through traffic

[2011zx10R]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

There are definitely bad deals, like people who pay $900+/mo to lease “m”340

Yes; you should know the market value for whatever your buying but sometimes you don't care...

Like when I go to the convenience store and pay $4.50 for Haggen Daz when the grocery store 5 minutes away has it on sale for $2.50

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by 2011zx10R

Yes; you should know the market value for whatever your buying but sometimes you don't care...

Like when I go to the convenience store and pay $4.50 for Haggen Daz when the grocery store 5 minutes away has it on sale for $2.50

Or when you get a highly optioned m3 for $100k because of special leather and paint and luxury features but it’s not any faster than a $60k version?

[saeyedoc]

New 718 Touring models coming out. GT4 tuned for the street or Spyder with a normal vet top. NA 6 cyl sweetness

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by saeyedoc

New 718 Touring models coming out. GT4 tuned for the street or Spyder with a normal vet top. NA 6 cyl sweetness

Will be awesome but $$$$

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by saeyedoc

New 718 Touring models coming out. GT4 tuned for the street or Spyder with a normal vet top. NA 6 cyl sweetness

hope it has more durability from the gearbox this time around.... Not a good look for GT4 to have reports of failures at track days

That being said, if 718 follows the same typical depreciation as the previous Cayman/Boxster, it will be a really solid buy on the used car market in a year or two. It's got pretty solid performance, to the point that the step up to GT4 might not make sense unless the buyer is a collector or a track addict