The P-Car got me...

[crl8474]

I haven't posted on here a ton but I've probably read 80-90% of the threads since buying my initial 325i in 2000 (I think) followed by my 335i to my F10 535i, my E90 M3 and finally my F80 M3 CP. Let me just say that I've wanted a 911 in some form for over 20 years but BMWs have always shared a special place in my heart for a number of reasons so I've been brand loyal for a very long time, until now. I would also like to add that this site has been extremely helpful and I've enjoyed the overall supportive nature of the group.

After having the drive shaft and DCT in my F80 implode a while back, I knew my time with BMW was limited. I entertained a C63s Coupe, Audi RS5 and just about every option available within that price bracket (there's not much) when I finally decided to make the move to Porsche via a CPO 2017 C4S in Agate Grey with 12,000 miles. I had originally convinced myself to keep the F80 until I could find a 2nd or 3rd year 992 CPO in 3-4 years but after driving the 991.2 C4S it was game over. The M3's power deliver is definitely more brutal due to the torque but the Porsche is still plenty fast (or faster in some cases) but in a more refined way which I enjoy (the PDK is amazing in auto or any of the manual settings). As I told my sales guy after a few days, the BMW felt like it was on the road but the Porsche feels like it's with the road...cheesy I know but it's the only way I can explain it. Just crazy.

Thanks to all of you that have commented on one of my posts, sold me something or bought something from me. You guys have developed a tremendous platform/community that I will miss. Take care! A few pics attached.

[MrSmartyPants]

That thing is fucking hot! Congrats!

[jpy1980]

Very nice! One day my wife will let me
Buy one.

[BigSky702]

Gorgeous!!

Congrats!

[minn19]

Congrats beautiful car! Nobody can (or should) blame you for switching.

[icegrill]

The 911 is the road🤮

[dkhm3]

Congrats!

I went the same route except with RWD, but I am still keeping my m3 for a daily driver.

after following break-in procedures for the 911, here is my conclusion vs the m3:

+
unbelievably sharp handling (I have rear wheel steering)
steering is telepathic and quick
chassis is unflappable- I have tried to create slip, but unable to turn on TC
joy to drive slow, 911 is responsive at low speeds
launch control is unbelievable
suspension dampening is much more advanced

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loss of practicality v m3
pdk is amazing but can sometimes not skip lower gears vs dct
does not pull as in your face as the m3, 911 is much more linear but less punchy

I can tell everyone that owns an f8x that I still love this car, it is a different experience and still very rewarding to drive. It has been nearly 5 years, and I will still miss this car when it finally goes.

[Flacht3]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

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loss of practicality v m3
pdk is amazing but can sometimes not skip lower gears vs dct
does not pull as in your face as the m3, 911 is much more linear but less punchy

I can tell everyone that owns an f8x that I still love this car, it is a different experience and still very rewarding to drive. It has been nearly 5 years, and I will still miss this car when it finally goes.

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One of my favorite metrics when testing a new car is how easily I can terrify my significant other when she's sitting passenger. To quote her "The M4 felt like you were about to lose control at any moment and I never knew when the power was going to come. The GT3 is scary but it's a controlled scary"

There will always be something special about the F8X generation, especially those 2015s that were (allegedly, not trying to stir the pot) even more out of control.

I did get sideways in the GT3 with her once. Accidentally hit a puddle when flooring it through a turn. Scared even me.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by Chris_DM

One of my favorite metrics when testing a new car is how easily I can terrify my significant other when she's sitting passenger. To quote her "The M4 felt like you were about to lose control at any moment and I never knew when the power was going to come. The GT3 is scary but it's a controlled scary"

There will always be something special about the F8X generation, especially those 2015s that were (allegedly, not trying to stir the pot) even more out of control.

I did get sideways in the GT3 with her once. Accidentally hit a puddle when flooring it through a turn. Scared even me.

heh, my wife hates all of my cars with equal passion, I have given up trying to convert her.

Part of the charm of the m3 to me is to try to tame it, I have spun my rears in 4th (295's vs oem 275's). I find that while it tries to kill me going straight sometimes, on turns it is very controllable and rewarding. Part of the fun I think, but never turn off tc completely- "full retard" as Robert Downey Jr said.

911 on the other hand is completely controllable and the beauty is to find your limits and push them. Very rewarding so far, but can be a bit sterile- I find it amazing that Porsche made this car feel so much like a NA motor, where the power is so linear. Randy P said it best when he felt the car was awd even though it wasn't.

I see you have the GT3, you are blessed Last of the NA and 9k redline. Enjoy in good health.

[///M///]

Originally Posted by dkhm3

Congrats!

I went the same route except with RWD, but I am still keeping my m3 for a daily driver.

after following break-in procedures for the 911, here is my conclusion vs the m3:

+
unbelievably sharp handling (I have rear wheel steering)
steering is telepathic and quick
chassis is unflappable- I have tried to create slip, but unable to turn on TC
joy to drive slow, 911 is responsive at low speeds
launch control is unbelievable
suspension dampening is much more advanced

-
loss of practicality v m3
pdk is amazing but can sometimes not skip lower gears vs dct
does not pull as in your face as the m3, 911 is much more linear but less punchy

I can tell everyone that owns an f8x that I still love this car, it is a different experience and still very rewarding to drive. It has been nearly 5 years, and I will still miss this car when it finally goes.

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Interesting what you write because that's exactly how I have been feeling last 3-4 days after driving the GT3 back from Boston with my best bud (he bought it) and now it's in my garage for a few days while we get the PPF done here cuz I trust my local shop. Had the opportunity to pretty much drive it like I stole it over 50-60 miles of very spirited driving through backroads here that I am extremely familiar with. But unlike what OP stated, I was not blown away by the P car, GT3 in this case. Here was my honest takeaway.

Plusses:
Really grips the road and I mean it really grips the road well.
chassis is unflappable like you said. All out launches in 1st to redline and 2nd to redline and traction light nev came on. Puts down power extremely well.
Great suspension
Manual gearbox is simply awesome. Best manual gearbox I have shifted with.
Looks awesome
Mind blowing sound

Minuses-
It is pretty boring below 5500 rpm and yes I said boring.
Power is too linear, almost makes it feel slow unless you are going wot every time. I understand that's the nature of NA but there is very little torque down low.
Not punchy at all. I fact felt slower than my F80 which is tuned to 485 HP.

To summarize, I loved the GT3 but wasn't blown away. It made me realize just how capable the M3 really is. Also made me realize that above a certain threshold, there is little return in terms of performance compared to how much you are spending. Point being that the GT3 is twice as expensive as the M3 but it doesn't deliver 150k worth of performance over the M3. Do note the above comments are for the street and not the track. The GT3 I am sure will shine at the track.

Made me also realize that I love the punchy feel over the NA linear feel. Makes me think I will love the 911 turbo.

[///M///]

I do have to say it does look good in my garage

[ellipsis212]

Jesus, 12k Porsche miles? Did some old ass white man forget to not drive it? It's almost ruined.

J/k man. It looks tip top - enjoy!

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by crl8474

I haven't posted on here a ton but I've probably read 80-90% of the threads since buying my initial 325i in 2000 (I think) followed by my 335i to my F10 535i, my E90 M3 and finally my F80 M3 CP. Let me just say that I've wanted a 911 in some form for over 20 years but BMWs have always shared a special place in my heart for a number of reasons so I've been brand loyal for a very long time, until now. I would also like to add that this site has been extremely helpful and I've enjoyed the overall supportive nature of the group.

After having the drive shaft and DCT in my F80 implode a while back, I knew my time with BMW was limited. I entertained a C63s Coupe, Audi RS5 and just about every option available within that price bracket (there's not much) when I finally decided to make the move to Porsche via a CPO 2017 C4S in Agate Grey with 12,000 miles. I had originally convinced myself to keep the F80 until I could find a 2nd or 3rd year 992 CPO in 3-4 years but after driving the 991.2 C4S it was game over. The M3's power deliver is definitely more brutal due to the torque but the Porsche is still plenty fast (or faster in some cases) but in a more refined way which I enjoy (the PDK is amazing in auto or any of the manual settings). As I told my sales guy after a few days, the BMW felt like it was on the road but the Porsche feels like it's with the road...cheesy I know but it's the only way I can explain it. Just crazy.

Thanks to all of you that have commented on one of my posts, sold me something or bought something from me. You guys have developed a tremendous platform/community that I will miss. Take care! A few pics attached.

Congrats! Beautiful C4S! The dichotomy between the two is clear.

[dkhm3]

Originally Posted by ///M///

Made me also realize that I love the punchy feel over the NA linear feel. Makes me think I will love the 911 turbo.

It's easy to appreciate both sides of the coin to me, the 911 rewards you immensely when you just sit at the top of the redline and shift- same for their turbo engines, I find myself at one gear lower at WOT vs the m3 at the same speed and just enjoying the shifting and the linear power from the engine.

Also it is very rewarding to drive slow simply because you can go 40% throttle, 45%-50% etc as you need it vs the M3 where it usually starts at 40%- then 60%-80% immediately, which throws you back and hard to modulate vs the 911.

The m3 really shines at higher speeds where it can maximize the traction and just explode.

I will miss this gen of M3's with RWD and DCT, I am not a fan of AWD and the zf8 that the next gen of M3's are coming out with.

[jpy1980]

Originally Posted by PureModelsOnly

One day I'll have a wife and then another day enough money to entertain the idea of asking my wife to finance one.

Don’t worry. One day that will come and then you'll have a kid whose nanny will be about two Porsche payments so you can’t have a Porsche till you’re over 50+ and then you’ll be a cliche and you’ll not want one and will just get a Camry because by then you’ll be saving for retirement.

Hehe

[NYG]

As much as we all love BMW, congratulations on owning the pinnacle of German automotive engineering.

[crl8474]

Originally Posted by NYG

As much as we all love BMW, congratulations on owning the pinnacle of German automotive engineering.

Not sure it's the pinnacle of German engineering but I'm enjoying it. I will agree that the M3 is more visceral, particularly at certain highway speeds but I do appreciate the traction from a standstill. While one could argue that the linear power delivery of the Porsche is boring, it is also what makes the car so enjoyable to drive fast, really fast. Predictability equals speed. Power delivery reminds me of my E90 M3 except this car has more grip, super linear in any gear and candidly what I've been missing. The PDK is other-worldly and seems to work seamlessly in either manual or (should I say it) in auto. Surprisingly the steering is what I've enjoyed the most. I do have the rear wheel steering and that may make a big difference but damn the front end bites! With that said, so have been a BMW homer since first graduating college so I see and E46 manual M3 in my very near future if I can find a good example.

[crl8474]

And for those of you worried about that wife. Happy wife, happy life. Take care of her, prioritize your kids and when the time is right, it will happen. I could have afforded this car many years ago but making my family happy was more important. Funny thing is they all now want to ride in and drive the new car because they know how much it means to me. Don't sacrifice family needs or wants! It's just a car.

[crl8474]

Originally Posted by ///M///

I do have to say it does look good in my garage

Funny story that I forgot to share. The day I got my car I'm coming home and about to turn onto the street that leads to my neighborhood. What do I pull up behind??? A 991.2 GT3! I get my dream car only to pull up my new dream car...shit! Just proves that there is always a "reach goal". Enjoy what you have but always want more! New goal is GT3 but I'm going to enjoy the hell out of the C4S while I have it.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by NYG

As much as we all love BMW, congratulations on owning the pinnacle of German automotive engineering.

Agree the 911 is the pinnacle of German, and maybe automotive engine.

My 991.2S.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by crl8474

Not sure it's the pinnacle of German engineering but I'm enjoying it. I will agree that the M3 is more visceral, particularly at certain highway speeds but I do appreciate the traction from a standstill. While one could argue that the linear power delivery of the Porsche is boring, it is also what makes the car so enjoyable to drive fast, really fast. Predictability equals speed. Power delivery reminds me of my E90 M3 except this car has more grip, super linear in any gear and candidly what I've been missing. The PDK is other-worldly and seems to work seamlessly in either manual or (should I say it) in auto. Surprisingly the steering is what I've enjoyed the most. I do have the rear wheel steering and that may make a big difference but damn the front end bites! With that said, so have been a BMW homer since first graduating college so I see and E46 manual M3 in my very near future if I can find a good example.

I'm a BMW fanboy too, don't get me wrong.

It is what it is though. Porsche is the King.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

Agree the 911 is the pinnacle of German, and maybe automotive engine.

My 991.2S.