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      06-14-2021, 09:57 AM   #8361
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I have to say, S-PASM on my TT is quite stiff and can be jarring on bumpy roads, even in the "Normal" mode. My M4cs on MP-HAS felt more composed in the same setting.
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I find even the sport suspension mode on my non S-PASM car to be overly stiff on regular roads.

In short, unless you are going to track the car, I don't know why anyone would get it.
I wonder how different they feel between the 911s and Caymans etc. I have SPASM and find it to be just about perfect on the road. There is the occasional hard hit here and there but overall I really like it.
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I find even the sport suspension mode on my non S-PASM car to be overly stiff on regular roads.

In short, unless you are going to track the car, I don't know why anyone would get it.
For the stance of course!
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I was also in for a nice treat this weekend, see below what my student was driving. He owns a business that imports cars from Europe, this one is from France. And if anyone wonders about the colour, it’s the original owner that had it painted. I was drooling all over it
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I was also in for a nice treat this weekend, see below what my student was driving. He owns a business that imports cars from Europe, this one is from France. And if anyone wonders about the colour, it’s the original owner that had it painted. I was drooling all over it
Oh wow. Drool indeed.
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I was also in for a nice treat this weekend, see below what my student was driving. He owns a business that imports cars from Europe, this one is from France. And if anyone wonders about the colour, it's the original owner that had it painted. I was drooling all over it
Ooooo yesssssss! That CSL love!
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I just left Ontario Porsche…..


…I called prior to going and they told me a used 2021 992 Carmine Red Carrera showed up Wednesday or Thursday. I wanted to go test drive it since it had standard PASM and I'm still on the fence between PASM & SPASM. Anyway, as I am a block away from the dealer, I see the Carmine Red 992 pass me and I immediately said to myself, "Damn! That dude is going to buy that car before I can drive it." Ten minutes later the 992 pulls up and yep, it sold…….that fast. Sticker said $117k, but I'm sure it sold for a little more on top of that. I sat in it….and it was well kept with 1207 miles on it.
I have to say, S-PASM on my TT is quite stiff and can be jarring on bumpy roads, even in the "Normal" mode. My M4cs on MP-HAS felt more composed in the same setting.
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I have to say, S-PASM on my TT is quite stiff and can be jarring on bumpy roads, even in the "Normal" mode. My M4cs on MP-HAS felt more composed in the same setting.
I find even the sport suspension mode on my non S-PASM car to be overly stiff on regular roads.

In short, unless you are going to track the car, I don't know why anyone would get it.
So do you guys think I should pass? I mean, I want the lowered stance but have no desire for a jarring ride. Is the SPASM in the Turbo S the same calibration/shocks installed on the C2S, or does the C2S get something different?


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I have to say, S-PASM on my TT is quite stiff and can be jarring on bumpy roads, even in the "Normal" mode. My M4cs on MP-HAS felt more composed in the same setting.
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I find even the sport suspension mode on my non S-PASM car to be overly stiff on regular roads.

In short, unless you are going to track the car, I don't know why anyone would get it.
I wonder how different they feel between the 911s and Caymans etc. I have SPASM and find it to be just about perfect on the road. There is the occasional hard hit here and there but overall I really like it.
That's a good question.
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This weekend .
I love how fast you put this car to work. Well done, Sir! Well done!
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So do you guys think I should pass? I mean, I want the lowered stance but have no desire for a jarring ride. Is the SPASM in the Turbo S the same calibration/shocks installed on the C2S, or does the C2S get something different?
I have SPASM on my 991.2 and it rides way more comfortable than my M3 comp. I would definitely get it especially if it’s your weekend car. If you plan to daily it and have bad roads then leave it off.

The lowering and handling improvements that you get with SPASM are very hard to beat.
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I was also in for a nice treat this weekend, see below what my student was driving. He owns a business that imports cars from Europe, this one is from France. And if anyone wonders about the colour, it’s the original owner that had it painted. I was drooling all over it
The OG OG! Love it! Did the LSB paint add weight or was the original properly stripped?
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So do you guys think I should pass? I mean, I want the lowered stance but have no desire for a jarring ride. Is the SPASM in the Turbo S the same calibration/shocks installed on the C2S, or does the C2S get something different?
I have SPASM on my 991.2 and it rides way more comfortable than my M3 comp. I would definitely get it especially if it's your weekend car. If you plan to daily it and have bad roads then leave it off.

The lowering and handling improvements that you get with SPASM are very hard to beat.


Is the lowering fairly noticeable on your 991.2?
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Is the lowering fairly noticeable on your 991.2?
Yes it sits as perfect as you can get from factory unless you’re comparing it to GT3 lol. There is definitely noticeable difference compared to a standard 991.2. Plus you get the extended front lip and rear spoiler that goes up higher to adjust for the aerodynamics. I believe 992 would carry over those features.
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Is the lowering fairly noticeable on your 991.2?
Yes it sits as perfect as you can get from factory unless you're comparing it to GT3 lol. There is definitely noticeable difference compared to a standard 991.2. Plus you get the extended front lip and rear spoiler that goes up higher to adjust for the aerodynamics. I believe 992 would carry over those features.
Yes, those features carry over although my car is coming with the AeroKit.
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So do you guys think I should pass? I mean, I want the lowered stance but have no desire for a jarring ride. Is the SPASM in the Turbo S the same calibration/shocks installed on the C2S, or does the C2S get something different?
I have SPASM on my 991.2 and it rides way more comfortable than my M3 comp. I would definitely get it especially if it's your weekend car. If you plan to daily it and have bad roads then leave it off.

The lowering and handling improvements that you get with SPASM are very hard to beat.


Is the lowering fairly noticeable on your 991.2?
I think the SPASM on the 991.2 had a bigger drop of 20mm compared to the standard car than the 992 which is 10mm lower, so it may be more noticeable on the 991.2 than on the 992.

That said, the difference between SPASM on the 991.2 and the PASM on the 991.2 was 10mm, and since the 992 comes with PASM standard I would imagine that it would be comparable to measuring a PASM 991.2 vs a SPASM 991.2.

Sounds like his thoughts on whether the drop is visibly noticeable on his 991.2 lines up with that.
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That's a good question.
I'm sure it has something to do with how a person's previous car(s) rode as well. I came out of a ZLE, so Fred Flinstones car would've rode like a Cadillac compared to that.

I will say this, I hated how my first civic M3s static suspension rode. It crashed over everything and was easily the worst car IMO for ride quality I ever had. Yes, even over the ZLE. The ZLE at least had a purpose to ride so rough, even that crashed (and other weirdness) less than than the OG 15 F80 IMO.
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So do you guys think I should pass? I mean, I want the lowered stance but have no desire for a jarring ride. Is the SPASM in the Turbo S the same calibration/shocks installed on the C2S, or does the C2S get something different?
As I have posted previously, you should not get S-PASM for the stance, the primary consideration should be the desired ride-comfort/handling compromise.
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So do you guys think I should pass? I mean, I want the lowered stance but have no desire for a jarring ride. Is the SPASM in the Turbo S the same calibration/shocks installed on the C2S, or does the C2S get something different?
As I have posted previously, you should not get S-PASM for the stance, the primary consideration should be the desired ride-comfort/handling compromise.
That's the conundrum I'm in. Both aspects are important to me, but not having any seat time behind the wheel of a SPASM 992 and very minimal seat time in a PASM 992 and non-PASM 991, it's a tough decision to make. I liked the way the non-PASM 991 I test drove handled and I liked the PASM 992 as well. Both felt like go karts. I find myself asking if I really need SPASM. It's a question that is difficult to answer. I do need a lower ride height though, so if it's not SPASM, it'll be TechArt or KW's HAS kits.
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That's the conundrum I'm in. Both aspects are important to me, but not having any seat time behind the wheel of a SPASM 992 and very minimal seat time in a PASM 992 and non-PASM 991, it's a tough decision to make. I liked the way the non-PASM 991 I test drove handled and I liked the PASM 992 as well. Both felt like go karts. I find myself asking if I really need SPASM. It's a question that is difficult to answer. I do need a lower ride height though, so if it's not SPASM, it'll be TechArt or KW's HAS kits.
You're not driving this car every day, correct? You want the most aggressive stance out of the box, correct? Porsche's PASM, SPASM, any kind of ASM is generally regarded as far more forgiving and comfortable than anything BMW M has ever made, correct? I think that would answer it for you.
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That's the conundrum I'm in. Both aspects are important to me, but not having any seat time behind the wheel of a SPASM 992 and very minimal seat time in a PASM 992 and non-PASM 991, it's a tough decision to make. I liked the way the non-PASM 991 I test drove handled and I liked the PASM 992 as well. Both felt like go karts. I find myself asking if I really need SPASM. It's a question that is difficult to answer. I do need a lower ride height though, so if it's not SPASM, it'll be TechArt or KW's HAS kits.
You're not driving this car every day, correct? You want the most aggressive stance out of the box, correct? Porsche's PASM, SPASM, any kind of ASM is generally regarded as far more forgiving and comfortable than anything BMW M has ever made, correct? I think that would answer it for you.
Haha! It's definitely not going to be a daily. I guess I'll just leave the SPASM in place. Ughhhh! My build doesn't lock any time soon. I wish it would so I could be done with this.

As for BMW, I have liked the way my M's have ridden in general, but I know the Porsche will be better in that regard.
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You're not driving this car every day, correct? You want the most aggressive stance out of the box, correct? Porsche's PASM, SPASM, any kind of ASM is generally regarded as far more forgiving and comfortable than anything BMW M has ever made, correct? I think that would answer it for you.
I would not agree with the above. My TT with S-PASM is far more jarring over the same roads than my M4cs with MP-HAS was. BMW really worked wonders with the M4cs damping and suspension tuning.
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I was also in for a nice treat this weekend, see below what my student was driving. He owns a business that imports cars from Europe, this one is from France. And if anyone wonders about the colour, it’s the original owner that had it painted. I was drooling all over it
Amazing. Might as well swap it to manual if it's already been repainted & stuff.

How was the SMG on track after all the years?
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I would not agree with the above. My TT with S-PASM is far more jarring over the same roads than my M4cs with MP-HAS was. BMW really worked wonders with the M4cs damping and suspension tuning.
That's interesting, it's been a couple of years since I had the my M4CS with MP-HAS, I do remember being surprised how well it rode. I still don't find my SPASM Cayman being harsh/jarring etc compared to it or any of my previous cars. I've read that the Caymans in general ride more taught than 911s. I realize this is a obvious generalization as there are so many different configurations. The main complaint I've heard about most 911s, especially 992s is that they are too soft/GT like. The only recent 911 I drove was the previous gen 911T with SPASM. That thing felt almost exactly like my GTS 4.0.

It has been a long time though and you definitely have a lot more history with that setup/platform than I did. Maybe your thoughts will change a little after both you and the car have more miles together.
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