Committed F8X buyers, will it bother you if the W205 C63 makes over 500hp?

[Alpine F31]

No.

The M car has the perfect balance of power, handling, looks and heritage.
Plus as has already been mentioned. 6MT. It's a must.

425 HP is overkill on the street anyway. I can barely use the measly 240HP in my 328i on the street.

I drove my cousins F13 M6 DCT. It has what...500+ HP? It was explosively fast. Stupid fast. Crazy, effortlessly fast. The new M3 M4 is supposed to be as quick as that car.... I don't care what the new C has. I'll be worshiping my M4.

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Yup. And an M5 is just a tuned 550i. After all, it's only 100 HP more.

Try again.

Troll?

[hellrotm]

I would be more jealous of the V8 exhaust note. But the new M3 is going to be a fantastic car otherwise.

[smashhell]

Originally Posted by Alpine F31

No.

The M car has the perfect balance of power, handling, looks and heritage.
Plus as has already been mentioned. 6MT. It's a must.

425 HP is overkill on the street anyway. I can barely use the measly 240HP in my 328i on the street.

I drove my cousins F13 M6 DCT. It has what...500+ HP? It was explosively fast. Stupid fast. Crazy, effortlessly fast. The new M3 M4 is supposed to be as quick as that car.... I don't care what the new C has. I'll be worshiping my M4.

Not 500hp. Supposedly the new M5/M6 are tested to puts out 600+hp stock.
They are Extremely underrated by BMW.

[Chill72]

Originally Posted by Alpine F31

No.


425 HP is overkill on the street anyway. I can barely use the measly 240HP in my 328i on the street.

I drove my cousins F13 M6 DCT. It has what...500+ HP? It was explosively fast. Stupid fast. Crazy, effortlessly fast. The new M3 M4 is supposed to be as quick as that car.... I don't care what the new C has. I'll be worshiping my M4.

That all depends on where you live. I certainly can and will use every bit of that 425HP here in Germany...on the daily basis.

[GOLFFRR]

I know I will sound biased but I would always pick the bmw over the MB not bc of power but bc the MB look wise doesn't appeal to me.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by Tonymiabmw

Really the new age of car is the technology age. From here on out it's going to be about making cars more efficient and lighter weight. At least they are staying ahead of the curve and evolving something bmw has always been great at. The age of big motors is coming to a end for European cars. With new emission standards and advancements in technology big V8 will be a thing of the past. Even the highest performing supercars at the moment. The Mcclaren P1 and Porsche 918 are hybrids. Staying ahead of the curve is key and you can tell BMW is doing this with the new M3/M4 and developing products like the new i8 and i3.

Correct.

There will be both a C63 AND a C45. Note the C63's engine is down to 4 liters now.

[JRV]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

This

And the fact it will be 3600+ lbs and I don't like the new c class styling

I plan on keeping this m3 for a while. If I need more power I'll just tune and mod this, though IMO it will rip even in stock form

Completely agree, the lack of 6MT and even more weight keeps me away from the Merc, for myself that is. My wife's C300 4Matic is a nice DD though

[Imola3]

Originally Posted by camber

No.

Because 6 MT.

Agreed. Also the car may have the extra power but we all know it will be a very heavy car. At least 200lb on the M

[dreamsongs]

Everything that's been said and I'll add that BMW is notorious for underrating their HP output. Why ? I'm not sure, but I'm almost certain it will be more than 431....more like 450 HP plus the extra torque. That's more than enough to lose your driver's license if you drive it like it's meant to be.

In any case, we don't have any autobahns here in the US so straight line brutality doesn't always attract most drivers otherwise they'd be all driving Mustang Shelbys. It's what you feel when you sit behind the wheel that counts. And BMW is the one of the best at that...

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by dreamsongs

Everything that's been said and I'll add that BMW is notorious for underrating their HP output. Why ? I'm not sure, but I'm almost certain it will be more than 431....more like 450 HP plus the extra torque. That's more than enough to lose your driver's license if you drive it like it's meant to be.

In any case, we don't have any autobahns here in the US so straight line brutality doesn't always attract most drivers otherwise they'd be all driving Mustang Shelbys. It's what you feel when you sit behind the wheel that counts. And BMW is the one of the best at that...

They definitely were not notorious for it on the E9x M3 lol. Not to say this car won't be more than they state.

[Algol]

No. Mercs always make gobs of power but have a hard time putting it down. Dont get me wrong every AMG I have driven has put a smile on my face, but M cars give me a bigger smile..hence the M4 purchase. If you want to be queen of the dyno then just get your car tuned.

One thing is for sure, I will be deeply jealous of the way the C63 will sound.

[UK6]

Old men and taxi drivers like Mercs, I am neither

[gee-m-w]

Everyone is pretty sensitive here. This car is $80,000 with tax and BMW should pull all of the stops out to make it how the buyers the want it. It's a software defined engine. They can sell it to us with 480 HP by changing one line of code. If they choose not to, we shouldn't defend them and apologize.

I'm not going to not get what I want just because it's the BMW way. Maybe they will get their act together before I have to buy another car. Maybe they won't. But the 2015 model package is not looking like what I want yet. I don't want to compromise and then re-purchase the car when they fix it.

[F82_SID]

I actually LIKE the idea of BMW and the F8x taking more driver & handling based approach to driving enjoyment rather than worrying about the power numbers on paper. Same thing goes for the RWD vs AWD argument; AWD may be better for grip but it is not more fun for the driver.. BMW believes in producing the best drivers cars, i.e. Ultimate Driving Machines. Power does not always equal better car. I remember watching a review of the 2013 Shelby GT500 that had 600+ horsepower and the reviewer came to the conclusion that the 500hp version was better because 600+ is too much for that car to put down and thus, it ruined the experience.

This to me is like comparing a gold Timex watch vs. a steel Rolex GMT. Sure the Timex is gold, but the craftsmanship of the Rolex is something much more worthy of appreciation by people who know what they are talking about. Anybody can make a POS watch with gold parts, but not just anybody can match the true craftsmanship of something like a Rolex or Panerai.

[Brosef]

personally, since the power numbers are only numbers on paper, I won't care much. to me, it will all come down to the experience and the feeling of the car. if the M3 proves to be a more fun car to drive, that's where I'll spend my money. isn't the new C63 supposed to be AWD? that alone is a deal killer, as is the transmission choices available. also, if the C63 ends up being more fun to drive, wait a year and BMW will probably fix that. I have a hard time believing they will allow the C63 to be a faster car on the track, particularly when they can dial-in more power so easily.

I guess to me the M is really only competing with the car it's replacing, and whether the extra money for the new model is justified by the improved experience. if this car disappoints (which I highly doubt it will), I'll be happy driving around in the glorious e9X M3.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by gee-m-w

Everyone is pretty sensitive here. This car is $80,000 with tax and BMW should pull all of the stops out to make it how the buyers the want it. It's a software defined engine. They can sell it to us with 480 HP by changing one line of code. If they choose not to, we shouldn't defend them and apologize.

I'm not going to not get what I want just because it's the BMW way. Maybe they will get their act together before I have to buy another car. Maybe they won't. But the 2015 model package is not looking like what I want yet. I don't want to compromise and then re-purchase the car when they fix it.

You're one high strung dude sometimes.

[bmwluvr24]

Originally Posted by gee-m-w

Everyone is pretty sensitive here. This car is $80,000 with tax and BMW should pull all of the stops out to make it how the buyers the want it. It's a software defined engine. They can sell it to us with 480 HP by changing one line of code. If they choose not to, we shouldn't defend them and apologize.

I'm not going to not get what I want just because it's the BMW way. Maybe they will get their act together before I have to buy another car. Maybe they won't. But the 2015 model package is not looking like what I want yet. I don't want to compromise and then re-purchase the car when they fix it.

Sensitivity has nothing to do with it. You say stupid shit. We call you out. I find it hard to believe that much more can be squeezed out of a set of turbos that normally operate at 200,000 rpm. That sounds pretty on-the-limit to me. It isn't a simple ECU crack to up the boost and change air/fuel mixture. If you change out the turbos, you lose the no-lag feature, but yeah you might get more power. I hope you will do a bit more reading before spouting such ridiculousness. Or better yet, just wait to see what the results are after a few trusted people get to test it. That is what I am waiting for.

[dreamsongs]

Originally Posted by phishhead24

Sensitivity has nothing to do with it. You say stupid shit. We call you out. I find it hard to believe that much more can be squeezed out of a set of turbos that normally operate at 200,000 rpm. That sounds pretty on-the-limit to me. It isn't a simple ECU crack to up the boost and change air/fuel mixture. If you change out the turbos, you lose the no-lag feature, but yeah you might get more power. I hope you will do a bit more reading before spouting such ridiculousness. Or better yet, just wait to see what the results are after a few trusted people get to test it. That is what I am waiting for.

I agree with this as well....I think those turbos are pretty maxed out and it won't be quite that easy to squeeze too much more power out of this engine.

There are people out there that do like "more HP" and that's all they will care about. For some guys it's like "who has the bigger penis"... I have more HP than you, my car is better etc. kinda thinking. I guess it's what makes a market so it's all good.

I wouldn't discount the Merc just yet as far as performance and weight, they might surprise us. But I don't like the styling that much compared to the M4 so having an extra 50 HP but sacrificing looks doesn't cut it for me....

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by dreamsongs

I agree with this as well....I think those turbos are pretty maxed out and it won't be quite that easy to squeeze too much more power out of this engine.

There are people out there that do like "more HP" and that's all they will care about. For some guys it's like "who has the bigger penis"... I have more HP than you, my car is better etc. kinda thinking. I guess it's what makes a market so it's all good.

I wouldn't discount the Merc just yet as far as performance and weight, they might surprise us. But I don't like the styling that much compared to the M4 so having an extra 50 HP but sacrificing looks doesn't cut it for me....

I hope the turbos are not maxxed out. They probably wouldn't last very long at max duty. Just my opinion.

[/// M sa]

Originally Posted by phishhead24

Sensitivity has nothing to do with it. You say stupid shit. We call you out. I find it hard to believe that much more can be squeezed out of a set of turbos that normally operate at 200,000 rpm. That sounds pretty on-the-limit to me. It isn't a simple ECU crack to up the boost and change air/fuel mixture. If you change out the turbos, you lose the no-lag feature, but yeah you might get more power. I hope you will do a bit more reading before spouting such ridiculousness. Or better yet, just wait to see what the results are after a few trusted people get to test it. That is what I am waiting for.

I dont believe they are maxed out, its to be seen but I will hold out some hope.

[Jockey]

I seriously doubt BMW did a stock factory tune with the turbos running at the ragged edge. That doesn't make any sense for BMW to do that.

I'm sure there is something left.