First Comparison Look at BMW M4 versus Lexus RC F

[Jaymax85]

This thread should be called BMW fanbois unite.

[MilehighM3]

Some of the newer Lexus models look decent lately, however this is not one of them. The body lines don't flow at all and there are so many design cues from other manufacturers as others have mentioned. GTR, Accord coupe and that C pillar area looks to have major blind spots. Perhaps they took that from the Z4M or the Cayman. The interior seems blocky and appears cheap, though the cluster looks decent. They also are well under the modern standard with their power output. Less than 100/liter? Get with the times Lexus. Time to put some R&D funds into engine technology.
The M4's body lines are definitely more refined. Easy choice for me, though the M3 looks even better IMO.

[dmailloux]

Originally Posted by solstice

I can't fathom to spend all that time and effort and neglect that an automatic transmission doesn't cut it in 2014 in this segment. By not offering a DCT they have virtually guaranteed that they will lose every comparison performed by enthusiast magazines independent on how good the rest of the car is.

Yeah just like Nissan did with the GT-R, right?

[SkipSauls]

The Lexus snout is odd, but at least it doesn't have the horrible gash that the BMW is saddled with.

I also like the full LCD gauges in the Lexus, and wish BMW would ditch the old-school stuff. Please, no lectures about the virtues of analog gauges. I owned and raced a Porsche Cup Car and Viper Competition Coupe that had full digital displays in 2004-2006, and those were better than the analog crap, but nowhere near as good as what's available today.

Otherwise, the M4 is great!

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by jawwadh

This thread should be called BMW fanbois unite.

No doubt this forum is filled with fanbois. But the front of this car is awful. Nothing fanboi boy about not liking styling of a certain model.

I would drive an IS-F all day long. This thing is just hideous.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by beyondriddick

Yeah just like Nissan did with the GT-R, right?

GT-R is DCT.

[Theride]

I never liked the F package on these new lexus. i much rather the basic body style.

[vampire81]

it's obviously a japanese car
too busy of a design imo

[cjwb1984]

Love that color! Love the competition. Japanese muscle more AMG than M. With that 5 Liter V8 it'll definitely have more weight up front. But damn 460hp with close to 400lb-ft of torque, it'll be a lot of fun. Lexus seriously need to update their powertrain especially their transmission arsenal. Time to bring a DCT to their lineup.

I wonder if the lessons learned from IS F CCS R will be applied to the RCF. If that is the case, this will be quite a competition. The exterior design definitely pushes the boundaries, and I like the interior of the new IS as well as the RC.

BTW why are the RS cars always so late to the game. The M3/M4 is here, the next gen C Class AMG will be here in a year or so. Lexus has the RCF coming soon. By the time the next gen RS4/5 comes these cars will be in their mid cycle.

[psuibmw]

Originally Posted by NemesisX

Probably...shouldn't you at least drive both first

I used the Predictive Analytics theory

[numba1guju]

Both are nice, as a BMW fan I will side with the M. We will have to let the pros take them for a drive to see which is better. I will wait until Top Gear weighs in or I will go test drive both when they come out.

[Gastoys]

Only thing I like about the Lexus is the interior door handles, so I can exit the heck out of that hideous thing quickly and int a M3.

[melloww22]

RCF engine on the M4 body

[Tmac]

I like it. I think it looks fantastic. It's styling is more "in your face" obviously but I think that will keep the car looking modern for its cycle, while the M4 is more subdued and I think will look dated quicker.

[DisGuy]

Looks better then the m4 and still a v8

[E90.V8]

Originally Posted by basscadet

Wow, looks familiar to me.

couldn't agree with you more

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by Kiemyster

you are on point. FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME! We are going back to the same sausage different length nonsense. To make a long story short, our cars are losing their identities of being a 3 series or a 5 series or a 6 series individually, they are all just clearly bmw's. Enthusiasts are unable to identify the different BMW vehicles at night from the front and/or back of the cars so how the hell can anyone tell? We are in big trouble and im not standing behind any of the new BMW's with blind loyalty and that KILLS me because I want to. It used to be like that and no matter what I will always buy/drive a BMW but damn, between 2000 and 2010 I would be proud of every BMW on the road no matter what small flaws it had. BRING BANGLE BACK FFS!

KIE! You probably don't remember me since I've gone through a million avatar, name, and sig changes, but I'm glad to see you and your opinions haven't changed. I was just posting the same thought on my comparison thread over in gen-auto:

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=932513

Originally Posted by Year's_End

Well, at least you followed through with your set up of quotes there. You would clearly damn this thing straight to hell, where others, such as myself, love it. Textbook polarizing discussion. Oh how I miss the days not too long ago when BMWs were at the heart of discussion like this.

What do we have to look forward to now when a new BMW model is released? "Yeah, it looks good." "Eh, nothing to dislike, but it looks like every other one." "That frivolous trivial detail around the [grille, fender, headlights, etc.] puts me off; I'd change it this way and then it'd be perfect" - and that's about the extent of any discussion these days. As someone that loves to talk about car design non-stop, I welcome any polar design that features something new, something clever, or something that makes you go "this shouldn't work, but it does. And here's why I see that".

What you see as a "mish-mosh of lines", I see as a series of well calculated scallops, creases and edges; all implying power and emphasizing width and street presence. It's possible to call it over-styled, maybe. I think that it looks upscale and brilliant when you start to piece it together. Pieces relate, corners are positioned to compliment each other, and lines add or subtract depth in the right spots to give it a purposeful visual strength. And the "disgusting grill"? I think it's brash and daring, yet well shaped and sculpted all the way down to the minute shaping of its surrounding trim and interlacing mesh. They could have messed this one up easily, but I think they pulled it off immensely well. This will provide the RC-F an unrivaled level of DRG presence on the road. The interior? Based on overall layout and design from a few photos, it's hard to tell. It's certainly better than the outgoing IS-F's without a doubt, but that would be necessary for it to be competitive nowadays. If the materials are anything like what the latest Lexus products have been using then I think we're in for a surprise treat.

I can't wait to find out for myself. And I'm really excited for the inevitable shootout with the new round of sports coupe contenders. There's no denying that this will give the M4 a run for its money. I'm really curious as to what MB will do with that secret weapon of a C-Class they've got brewing. We hardly have any information about the AMG monster, but I hope they keep the insanity on par with the course.

[ORIGIN M.]

Looks aside that L will own

Just own /

[Savory]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

you have your mirrors set wrong then. there should be NO blind spots.

makes me appreciate the phrase "less is MOARRR"

Am I the only one that still looks over their shoulders to merge or change lanes? Anyways, the Lexus probably has blindspot detector lol

[Legion5]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

The profile of the Lexus looks good, but man that front end is trying hard to be right in your face.

Agreed

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by m3ct

I like the fenders, seats, digital dash, and the 460hp V8...other than

It just looks overly designed and makes you appreciate the simplicity of German engineering even more. I think cars like the RC-F will not age so well... But looks are subjective and everyone will have their own opinion.

Props to Lexus for shaking up the competition though, I'm sure this thing will be a beast, and hopefully better looking in person.

Yet people were complaining on here about how the M3/M4's front end is "over styled".

I get it, the Norelco styled front end is polarizing. But Lexus was criticized before for having staid designs, and now they get criticized for having designs that get attention. Some people are not happy.

Also, someone put up the BRZ, the only thing that the RC-F and the BRZ/FRS pictured have in common in terms of design are being painted in shades of blue and the black lower valance.

Someone made a comment of how boring the Lexus center dash is, yet it has buttons all over the place. And it seems many people like buttons. But, on here many people have criticized BMW for having staid interiors, and wish that BMw would learn from Audi.

One of the funniest things on here is watching how BMW owners and some so called enthusiasts literally bash the brand in one thread, praise it in another, have unrealistic expectations in another, and when a competitor comes along act like the said competitor is the Devil Incarnate compared to the car that many were "disappointed in"...it's truly something amazing to behold

Nobody has asked how much the RC-F weighs, because that may play a huge factor in this game. And does it have an LSD? Remember when the IS-F first cane out, it did not...and kinda fell short. But, when it did come with an LSD it gave the M3 a run for it's money.

Let's be glad that Lexus has finally shed it's wallflower image, and is stepping out with a miniskirt that gets looks, good and bad. Let's applaud her for letting her hair down. Let's applaud that 480 hp 5 liter, and them not following BMW down the path of downsizing. Just imagine the criticism on here if Lexus had a newly developed 3jz-GTE (do I hear the word "copycat"?). And let's applaud the use of "F" cues---the stacked quad exhausts, and the side vent.

[Leo88]

It has a busy desing but i like it more than a boring Audi RS5.

Still, i'll buy an M3 sedan over the coupe, so much better exterior wise.