Dyno results for E85 tune

[gman_newyork]

Getting her dialed in thanks to F80Paul. IAT's were a little high and Paul said we will be turning it up a little more as we are sitting at only 23psi across the midrange with a taper down to 18.5psi at redline.

Stock everything except for downpipes and tune

[AGM_m3f80]

Originally Posted by gman_newyork

Getting her dialed in thanks to F80Paul. IAT's were a little high and Paul said we will be turning it up a little more as we are sitting at only 23psi across the midrange with a taper down to 18.5psi at redline.

Stock everything except for downpipes and tune

Another great results by F80Paul

gman_newyork Congrats and welcome to the club

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by gman_newyork

Getting her dialed in thanks to F80Paul. IAT's were a little high and Paul said we will be turning it up a little more as we are sitting at only 23psi across the midrange with a taper down to 18.5psi at redline.

Stock everything except for downpipes and tune

Nice work! That's awesome. No colder plugs?

[chewbakam4]

Great numbers!

[gman_newyork]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

Nice work! That's awesome. No colder plugs?

No. Stock plugs but they were changed about 3 weeks ago by BMW so they are fresh OEM's with OEM gap.

[gman_newyork]

Originally Posted by AGM_m3f80

Another great results by F80Paul

gman_newyork Congrats and welcome to the club

Glad to be part of the 500hp+ club. Paul is a master with the S55

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by gman_newyork

No. Stock plugs but they were changed about 3 weeks ago by BMW so they are fresh OEM's with OEM gap.

Surprised the OEM gap didn't cause misfires! Great numbers! I have all my parts ready to go on, but need to get through break-in first

[FSociety]

Did you do a stock run on this same dyno?
Hard to compare if you dont have a base, I know these are mustang numbers so we also dont know how lower it reads than Dynojet.
Nevertheless powerband respectfully solid

Hit up a Dynojet next time ;-)

[gman_newyork]

Originally Posted by FSociety

Did you do a stock run on this same dyno?
Hard to compare if you dont have a base, I know these are mustang numbers so we also dont know how lower it reads than Dynojet.
Nevertheless powerband respectfully solid

Hit up a Dynojet next time ;-)

Unfortunately I was already on a stage 1 flash and never did a stock baseline. At the time I didn't think I was going to continue tunning my car past that point. Now I have the HP bug hence the Stage 2 and E85. Meth is also on the table and am doing my research with guidance from F80paul. Ultimate goal is 600whp on E85 with meth injection via the J-Pipe.

Dyno access is somewhat limited where I live but I will search out a Dynojet near me and see if I can't get a comparison for the Mustang Dyno. It's my understanding that a Dynojet should read approximately 12% higher than the Mustang as it's not loaded versus loaded. But I'm no expert on dyno machines.

[gman_newyork]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

Surprised the OEM gap didn't cause misfires! Great numbers! I have all my parts ready to go on, but need to get through break-in first

Never had a single issue or misfire. Paul knows this engine inside and out and purposely left some hp/tq on the table so to speak in order to keep everything safe. Once NGK's are installed we will re-log and turn up the boost a little more. Currently only running 23psi with a 18.5psi taper at the redline.

Sounds like you are ready to go. Looks like you need to take a road trip and put some miles on the car. Corn is addicting

[torn08]

Had mine tuned the minute I got back from break in

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by torn08

Had mine tuned the minute I got back from break in

Did you dyno yet?

Originally Posted by gman_newyork

Never had a single issue or misfire. Paul knows this engine inside and out and purposely left some hp/tq on the table so to speak in order to keep everything safe. Once NGK's are installed we will re-log and turn up the boost a little more. Currently only running 23psi with a 18.5psi taper at the redline.

Sounds like you are ready to go. Looks like you need to take a road trip and put some miles on the car. Corn is addicting

Where did you dyno ? PM me if u want to find a dynojet
F80Paul is the man!

[gman_newyork]

Originally Posted by FSociety

Did you dyno yet?

Where did you dyno ? PM me if u want to find a dynojet
F80Paul is the man!

Hi..had it done by my local performance shop. They are not a fan of the Dynojets as they said they are inconsistent between machines. Meaning you could go to 3 shops with Dynojets and get three different results on all (not within the margin of error). I was told the Mustang is connected to a central database of algorithms that are vehicle specific and all should read the same no matter where you dyno as they are all synced with the database. Again I'm not an expert on these machines just relaying the information the shop shared with me.

https://www.fivebarmotorsports.com/dyno

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by gman_newyork

Hi..had it done by my local performance shop. They are not a fan of the Dynojets as they said they are inconsistent between machines. Meaning you could go to 3 shops with Dynojets and get three different results on all (not within the margin of error). I was told the Mustang is connected to a central database of algorithms that are vehicle specific and all should read the same no matter where you dyno as they are all synced with the database. Again I'm not an expert on these machines just relaying the information the shop shared with me.

https://www.fivebarmotorsports.com/dyno

False. Dynojet is essentially industry-standard as well as used by NASCAR. Most tuners will prefer dynojet.

[VF-Engineering]

Originally Posted by gman_newyork

Hi..had it done by my local performance shop. They are not a fan of the Dynojets as they said they are inconsistent between machines. Meaning you could go to 3 shops with Dynojets and get three different results on all (not within the margin of error). I was told the Mustang is connected to a central database of algorithms that are vehicle specific and all should read the same no matter where you dyno as they are all synced with the database. Again I'm not an expert on these machines just relaying the information the shop shared with me.

https://www.fivebarmotorsports.com/dyno

The consistency of any dynamometer (regardless of brand) is
entirely dependent on the consistency of the dyno operator
and conditional changes of the vehicle & inside the workshop.

While people love to compare dyno results, there is no proper
methodology for doing so when it comes to simply looking at
the "peak gains" from one vehicle, to those of a different vehicle
on a different dyno.



You may have heard it explained before that the focus should
be on "delta gains" and "area under the curve" as opposed to
just the peak values; and in doing so you can draw a more
accurate comparison.

The conversation then revolves around "my vehicle was able
to gain xx HP and xx TQ over stock with these modifications",
which can then be more accurately discussed when comparing
against a similar set of data from a different vehicle/dyno.

The peak number, or end result, means very little without the
context of where you started and what the rate of change was.



We have BOTH a Mustang and DynoJet at our development
facility in Anaheim, CA and when calibrated properly, the
delta gains are nearly identical. We discussed it at length
in the follow link if you're curious to read/learn more.


LINK: VF Engineering / HEX Tuning "♒ TWO Dynos - Thread ♒"

Another good read is in our "BMW F87 M2 Master" Thread where
we shared Mustang & DynoJet results from the same vehicle
on the same day with no other changes. The results speak
volumes as the "peak power" is dramatically different from
one dyno to the next, but the delta gains are nearly identical!

LINK: Mustang vs. DynoJet Results for ///M2

[gman_newyork]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

[COLOR="Blue"]

The consistency of any dynamometer (regardless of brand) is
entirely dependent on the consistency of the dyno operator
and conditional changes of the vehicle & inside the workshop.

While people love to compare dyno results, there is no proper
methodology for doing so when it comes to simply looking at
the "peak gains" from one vehicle, to those of a different vehicle
on a different dyno.



You may have heard it explained before that the focus should
be on "delta gains" and "area under the curve" as opposed to
just the peak values; and in doing so you can draw a more
accurate comparison.

The conversation then revolves around "my vehicle was able
to gain xx HP and xx TQ over stock with these modifications",
which can then be more accurately discussed when comparing
against a similar set of data from a different vehicle/dyno.

The peak number, or end result, means very little without the
context of where you started and what the rate of change was.



We have BOTH a Mustang and DynoJet at our development
facility in Anaheim, CA and when calibrated properly, the
delta gains are nearly identical. We discussed it at length
in the follow link if you're curious to read/learn more.


LINK: [COLOR="Red"]VF Engineering / HEX Tuning " TWO Dynos - Thread "[/COLOR]

Another good read is in our "[COLOR="Red"]BMW F87 M2 Master[/COLOR]" Thread where
we shared Mustang & DynoJet results from the same vehicle
on the same day with no other changes. The results speak
volumes as the "peak power" is dramatically different from
one dyno to the next, but the delta gains are nearly identical!

LINK: [COLOR="Red"]Mustang vs. DynoJet Results for ///M2[/COLOR]

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I appreciate all the information. Definitely wasn't looking for a debate on dyno machines. I stated that what I said was from the shop mechanic. I will read the links and educate myself. Thanks for the links. Much appreciated.

[VF-Engineering]

Originally Posted by gman_newyork

I appreciate all the information. Definitely wasn't looking for a debate on dyno machines. I stated that what I said was from the shop mechanic. I will read the links and educate myself. Thanks for the links. Much appreciated.

Definitely wasn't trying turn it into a debate, just wanted to
shed some additional light on the topic.

We're fortunate to have not just one, but two of the more
commonly used dynamometers in-house, and we enjoy
helping people learn how to analyze and interpret the
data that they produce.

[gman_newyork]

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

Definitely wasn't trying turn it into a debate, just wanted to
shed some additional light on the topic.

We're fortunate to have not just one, but two of the more
commonly used dynamometers in-house, and we enjoy
helping people learn how to analyze and interpret the
data that they produce.

Much appreciated