New Wagner S55 FMIC being released in APRIL!!

[domino_z]

just as well

do the front mount first, that's where the bigger gain (if any) would be right?

think about the path of air from hot side to intake - would it not be more beneficial to achieve net lower iat for the air entering the top mount to be cooler to begin with

[M4_Ronin]

Originally Posted by domino_z

just as well

do the front mount first, that's where the bigger gain (if any) would be right?

think about the path of air from hot side to intake - would it not be more beneficial to achieve net lower iat for the air entering the top mount to be cooler to begin with

Yes I already did mine.

[silverstar335]

Today was the first day at the track with the Wagner cooler (I have the Dinan heat exchanger as well) and I can say with certainty that it does make a difference. Car is running 15-20F cooler in 30 minute sessions with the ambient temperature being 90-95F. Car also seems a bit faster, don't have concrete numbers yet.

[M3anPower]

Are there any deal on Wagner for Sema?

[BadM4]

Originally Posted by M3anPower

Are there any deal on Wagner for Sema?

Sema is over, deals for Black Friday maybe lol

[Whyte_Diamonds]

Just wanted to add to the thread for anyone debating upgrading to this from a Dinan FMIC. I can't speak of IAT's or any detailed specs but you can for sure tell a difference in responsiveness between the two.

I'm Stage 3 Dinan with the Wagner FMIC and my initial critique is Too bad it's not silver so you can see this monster behind the grille though.

[TopJimmy]

FYI...no problems with install, and no fitment issues with the Wagner TMIC on my F80 M3 Base. I have an ER J-pipe too. Still a half inch of clearance with my stock hood.

[cryptz]

do you have the engine cover off for temp reasons or doesnt it fit with the wagner?

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by cryptz

do you have the engine cover off for temp reasons or doesnt it fit with the wagner?

I have it off for the VTT silicone tubes. When I squeeze the cover on there is no interference, but I did put a tiny bit of fuzz tape since theres only about 1/8in clearance. The Wagner included 2 tall standoffs which I used on the silicone side instead.

[Whyte_Diamonds]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

FYI...no problems with install, and no fitment issues with the Wagner TMIC on my F80 M3 Base. I have an ER J-pipe too. Still a half inch of clearance with my stock hood.

How are you liking performance with it? Just curious.

[BadM4]

Originally Posted by cryptz

do you have the engine cover off for temp reasons or doesnt it fit with the wagner?

It fits I love mine too

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by Whyte_Diamonds

How are you liking performance with it? Just curious.

I can't say it adds power. The Wagner improves cooling by capacity, and I use standard dosage Water Wetter with 60/40 water/coolant mix. It maintains cooling very Very well. On a hot day here (IR thermo gun said 104F on my white paint, shady side) and after driving 15min highway my aluminum intake tubes were 131/121F (long runs hotter), the silicone chargepipes were both 142F and the TMIC was only 101F! Power doesn't improve with the TMIC as far as I can tell, but it helps to keep power since it doesn't heat soak much. I'm planning a dyno day at Kies and hope to log temps like above during the pulls and in between.

BadM4 dude the blue TMIC goes great with the Ti pipes. Are those RKs?

[BadM4]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

I can't say it adds power. The Wagner improves cooling by capacity, and I use standard dosage Water Wetter with 60/40 water/coolant mix. It maintains cooling very Very well. On a hot day here (IR thermo gun said 104F on my white paint, shady side) and after driving 15min highway my aluminum intake tubes were 131/121F (long runs hotter), the silicone chargepipes were both 142F and the TMIC was only 101F! Power doesn't improve with the TMIC as far as I can tell, but it helps to keep power since it doesn't heat soak much. I'm planning a dyno day at Kies and hope to log temps like above during the pulls and in between.

BadM4 dude the blue TMIC goes great with the Ti pipes. Are those RKs?

Yeah those are RK Titanium pipes he is a friend of mine. He made me some custom ones. I had bp titanium before they both are great. but the color on the RK is amazing and yeah my paint guy color matched my cover and the TMIC Tanzanite Blue. The Wagner keeps it cooler and doesn’t heat soak like the stock one.

[jmciver]

Originally Posted by BadM4

Yeah those are RK Titanium pipes he is a friend of mine. He made me some custom ones. I had bp titanium before they both are great. but the color on the RK is amazing and yeah my paint guy color matched my cover and the TMIC Tanzanite Blue. The Wagner keeps it cooler and doesn’t heat soak like the stock one.

Out of curiosity, in your experience under what real world conditions did the stock TMIC heat soak to the point where it pulled enough power that was noticeable and/or detrimental to engine performance?

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by jmciver

Out of curiosity, in your experience under what real world conditions did the stock TMIC heat soak to the point where it pulled enough power that was noticeable and/or detrimental to engine performance?

I did not have heat soak issues. A buddy sold me the Wagner at half price and I couldn't resist the mod away from plastic to metal. Will see how it helps on dyno day.

[BadM4]

Originally Posted by jmciver

Out of curiosity, in your experience under what real world conditions did the stock TMIC heat soak to the point where it pulled enough power that was noticeable and/or detrimental to engine performance?

I live in Las Vegas it heat soaked on a daily basis from April till September lol. If I did more than 3 pulls it felt down on power and times showed it. Didn’t Wagner do testing I thought it showed were stock was down on power after a few pulls instead of being consistent?

[TopJimmy]

From the Wagner website:
https://www.wagner-tuning.com/produc...200001124.html

[papasmurf_m3]

Wow, that's a lot of flow. I'm thinking about putting a bigger front heat exchanger with rock guard.

Which brand has the largest capacity of fluid or thickest core? Or they all pretty much the same?

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by papasmurf_m3

Wow, that's a lot of flow. I'm thinking about putting a bigger front heat exchanger with rock guard.

Which brand has the largest capacity of fluid or thickest core? Or they all pretty much the same?

I believe Wagners are the largest drop- in, and they also have the small cooler and a CF duct in a set for $2K. Pricey but highest quality.
https://www.wagner-tuning.com/produc...400001003.html

[Whyte_Diamonds]

Originally Posted by papasmurf_m3

Wow, that's a lot of flow. I'm thinking about putting a bigger front heat exchanger with rock guard.

Which brand has the largest capacity of fluid or thickest core? Or they all pretty much the same?

Can't go wrong with the Wagner. I'm currently running it on my car as a replacement for my Dinan. Zero complaints so far. It is pricey compared to others though.

[Whyte_Diamonds]

Cant wait to put this pretty thang on. Lol

[tomlong]

Any real IATs or parameters to share? With either one or both Wagner components installed? I see people/companies indicating X% cooler or lower in temps, but hard for me to grasp or put into context what that really means. I do have the base line data for my car.

According to my logs (my car uses the OEM Air to Water Intercooler) at 199F coolant temp while doing WOT at exactly 150mph with speed climbing and outside ambient temp exactly at 78F ... I get 120F for IATs.

So if claims are true, by Wagner or other aftermarket cooling component manufacturers, should my IAT be lower than 120F by ____%?

We can understand testing conditions may vary due to many factors but why the hesitation to publish at least a controlled baseline vs test sample?