Right price for a used M4 GTS

[4play]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Just checked the prices once more in Germany and France. Prices are up again, now between $150,000 and $260,000.
It is bound to happen...
It would be sweet revenge for Europe who did not get their share to start with...
France (80,000 million people) only got 13 !?!

https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/b...dtsrc=listPage

$109,990 EUR or $133K USD. And that's the absolute cheapest I could find. Pretty nuts.

Figure 20% VAT, 2K EUR to ship, 300 EUR for CoC, $80K USD purchase price (66K EUR), 3% conversion/transfer fees.

66K EUR + 20% + 3% = 81.2K EUR + 2K EUR shipping + 300 EUR CoC = 83.5K EUR

A 26,500 EUR savings if you bought a US car. That's a substantial enough savings that it starts to become feasible.

[Secret Chimp]

Originally Posted by 4play

https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/b...dtsrc=listPage

$109,990 EUR or $133K USD. And that's the absolute cheapest I could find. Pretty nuts.

Figure 20% VAT, 2K EUR to ship, 300 EUR for CoC, $80K USD purchase price (66K EUR), 3% conversion/transfer fees.

66K EUR + 20% + 3% = 81.2K EUR + 2K EUR shipping + 300 EUR CoC = 83.5K EUR

A 26,500 EUR savings if you bought a US car. That's a substantial enough savings that it starts to become feasible.

Im surprised that some enterprising car dealer in EU hasnt caught on to this yet.

[MikeCH]

Originally Posted by Secret Chimp

Im surprised that some enterprising car dealer in EU hasnt caught on to this yet.

In Switzerland there is already US imported GTS for a significant price difference:

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/bmw-...=gts&vehtyp=10

A Swiss model in comparison:

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/bmw-...=gts&vehtyp=10

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by MikeCH

In Switzerland there is already US imported GTS for a significant price difference:

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/bmw-...=gts&vehtyp=10

A Swiss model in comparison:

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/bmw-...=gts&vehtyp=10

Translates to $145k list. Interesting...

[4play]

Originally Posted by MikeCH

In Switzerland there is already US imported GTS for a significant price difference:

https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/bmw-...=gts&vehtyp=10

That's still about twice as expensive as a GTS here in the US.

[h_bakken]

Would be interesting to know how much of the price difference is because of the country of origin.

Never seen GTS in non-frozen gray. Definitely like the frozen better. Also I can't get over the look of those carbon fiber wheels, just weird.

I sure could go for the carbon fiber buckets in the Swiss model though.

[TT1351]

I have to feel the Euro prices will eventually bring up US prices, I think (and that's my problem)

[Gomeler]

Originally Posted by h_bakken

Would be interesting to know how much of the price difference is because of the country of origin.

Never seen GTS in non-frozen gray. Definitely like the frozen better. Also I can't get over the look of those carbon fiber wheels, just weird.

I sure could go for the carbon fiber buckets in the Swiss model though.

Pretty serious mileage difference as well, 4k km vs 12k km.

[h_bakken]

Originally Posted by Gomeler

Pretty serious mileage difference as well, 4k km vs 12k km.

Oh yes that makes sense.

According to my calculations the Swiss one is almost $204k US, holy crap

[4play]

Originally Posted by h_bakken

oh yes that makes sense.

According to my calculations the swiss one is almost $204k us, holy crap

$191k usd.

1chf = 1.1238 usd

[h_bakken]

Originally Posted by 4play

$191k usd.

1chf = 1.1238 usd

Yes on my maths terrible. Still that's really expensive

[BMWsports6]

Originally Posted by M3hf80

Hi all,

Looking into a M4 GTS and was wondering what's the right price for one. The one I'm looking at has a bit over 30k miles and a minor rear bumper accident. Other than that, it's a one owner car.

Let me know!

Both reasons to lower the price A LOT!!! Accident and high on the miles. Negotiate with the seller for the lowest price possible. I'd even recommend you to really look for another offer or at least contact a mechanic to check on the car if there are any other issues maybe even caused by the accident. Be careful there!

[4play]

Originally Posted by BMWsports6

Both reasons to lower the price A LOT!!! Accident and high on the miles. Negotiate with the seller for the lowest price possible. I'd even recommend you to really look for another offer or at least contact a mechanic to check on the car if there are any other issues maybe even caused by the accident. Be careful there!

There were no issues, just a bumper cover replaced from being scratched in a parking lot accident.

I own the car now and it has 40k miles on it.

[jpdchicago]

Down to 5 M4 Gts on Cars.com today from 13 last year.
Something is going on for sure...

[rcompound]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Down to 5 M4 Gts on Cars.com today from 13 last year.
Something is going on for sure...

This is the second time down this road for me. I bought a 1995 M3 Lightweight used in 1996 for $35,000. The cool part was the car was in a barn in South Dakota, had 1300 miles and was absolutely like new. I bought it from the first owner. He had no idea what he bought (no insulation, no air, no radio, lightened with many AL parts). He had buyer's remorse almost immediately. He bought the car for $48,000 new. I sold it in 2005 for more than the original list price. The market has started to adjust for those buyers.

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by rcompound

This is the second time down this road for me. I bought a 1995 M3 Lightweight used in 1996 for $35,000. The cool part was the car was in a barn in South Dakota, had 1300 miles and was absolutely like new. I bought it from the first owner. He had no idea what he bought (no insulation, no air, no radio, lightened with many AL parts). He had buyer's remorse almost immediately. He bought the car for $48,000 new. I sold it in 2005 for more than the original list price. The market has started to adjust for those buyers.

Those are selling between $100,000 and $150,000 now...

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Down to 5 M4 Gts on Cars.com today from 13 last year.
Something is going on for sure...

Bought my GTS in June 2018, 27 fs at that time. One year prior >100 fs.

Not surprisingly, supply/demand pattern almost perfectly parallels and is just behind Z/28 (purchased fall 2016). That one has started to appreciate.

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Down to 5 M4 Gts on Cars.com today from 13 last year.
Something is going on for sure...

Down to 3. Two sold within the last week. Nice Christmas gift!

[Boostin FD]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Down to 3. Two sold within the last week. Nice Christmas gift!

There are 6 on autotrader... There were 11 two weeks ago.

[4play]

$76k with 17k miles (Darth's old car) sold almost immediately. Listed for 3 days.

[Darth One]

I do think it's likely I sold at the bottom of the market. Of course I compounded this by buying the replacement car (a 991 GT3 touring) at the top of the market. Buy high sell low at its finest

I hope the value thing works out for you guys, but please drive those things!

[786]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

Down to 3. Two sold within the last week. Nice Christmas gift!

Originally Posted by Boostin FD

There are 6 on autotrader... There were 11 two weeks ago.

There were 25-30 iirc when I was looking in October. Supply does seem to be drying up.

Originally Posted by Darth One

I do think it's likely I sold at the bottom of the market. Of course I compounded this by buying the replacement car (a 991 GT3 touring) at the top of the market. Buy high sell low at its finest

I hope the value thing works out for you guys, but please drive those things!

Touring a great car, congrats!

Personally, not too concerned about values. Driving mine every chance I get (although that isn't often).