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      01-13-2014, 09:45 AM   #1
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This is a very simple poll with absolutely no intentions to turn into a debate or a flame war. The question is, do you give thumbs up or thumbs down to the new Ms with what you know so far? It's okay to not to have all information at hand, just answer based on what you know so far.

So which is it? or
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yes, I think they are fantastic and will be a huge upgrade in the following areas over the outgoing m3

-handling
-interior quality and tech
-straight line performance
-chassis rigidity and stiffness
-performance at the track
-less wear on brakes and components due to less weight and more robust brakes
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-more flexible powerband

I cant wait, and this car basically ticks all the boxes for me. Cant wait to see how the car drives.
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      01-13-2014, 10:11 AM   #3
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Basically for all the same reasons KennyPowers mentioned and I don't have a problem with a I6 turbo unlike most people. The e92 M3 was almost perfect to me except that it was a bit too heavy, I did not like the small gas tank/ bad fuel efficiency combo and no HUD. The new M4 fixed that and also added a sports HUD now making it my dream car. I think BMW did a great job bridging the gap between track use and daily use with this one
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From the pics.. M3 yes M4 no.
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      01-13-2014, 10:35 AM   #7
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It looks great, comes down to if you like N/A or boost. I would wait to pull the trigger on one till they figure out all the first production problems.
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Yes absolutely, the performance stats are superb for the . I see a lot of questions over subjective things such as looks and sound, really I think we all just need to see it and hear it for ourselves but I'm happy its going to be what I want. Bring it on!
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Yes to both... All V8ers can already stfu and be happy with their outdated heavy ass cars while we zip pass them :-)
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I really like the new M3 but it's giong to depend greatly on price. If the new Z06 is only 10k more I'll go that way.
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I really like the new M3 but it's giong to depend greatly on price. If the new Z06 is only 10k more I'll go that way.
not going to happen
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not going to happen
I'll bet it's closer than you think. We probably won't know til after summer tho as they said early 2015 for Z06. If an optioned out M3 isn't mid-high 80s ill eat my shoe.
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I'll bet it's closer than you think. We probably won't know til after summer tho as they said early 2015 for Z06. If an optioned out M3 isn't mid-high 80s ill eat my shoe.
of course you can spec the car like a madman and get every option and spend 80k

the car also comes with a ton in base form, and you can get it for 65k or so (I believe)

you cannot get a z06 in any form for 65k. so yes, if you load up your m3 with cameras and bling you can get it to close to the base price of a z06, but that makes no sense to me since the z06 will easily be optioned up well over 100k.

base price for base price, they will be 15k or more apart imo.
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So which is it? or
Is that a Yas Marina colored thumbs up, and Austin Yellow colored thumbs down?

If so, I largely agree. But for the cars themselves, two thumbs up.
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of course you can spec the car like a madman and get every option and spend 80k

the car also comes with a ton in base form, and you can get it for 65k or so (I believe)

you cannot get a z06 in any form for 65k. so yes, if you load up your m3 with cameras and bling you can get it to close to the base price of a z06, but that makes no sense to me since the z06 will easily be optioned up well over 100k.

base price for base price, they will be 15k or more apart imo.
They said the Z06 base price will be a small jump from current gen. I believe currently a base model is 68-70k. I really think the 100k numbers are steep. I bet 2LT car will be mid-high 80s.
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Yes! They're both sexy
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      01-13-2014, 01:34 PM   #17
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M3 Or M4

I will be passing up on this generation. The problems this car will face will probably be a nightmare since it seems like BMW can't get their act together with turbos. The "LIMP MODE" is just a matter of time, and what will be the cause? who knows, we'll wait and see the threads start popping out of no where for that, and PUMA cases being opened left and right. I had the 2009 E92 M3, and will probably be my last. If I see another M3 in my garage it won't be this new generation, since this is essentially the first turbo M3 generation. I'll definitely go the Z06 route and to the statement above, you're crazy if you think the Z06 optioned up will be around 100k, chevy is not BMW, their options cost a fraction of what these germans charge up for options (yes I'm talking to you BMW,AUDI, PORSCHE, Mercedes). GM is very reasonable on option pricing. Yesterday I was playing on the BMW website and optioned a 435i with everything and it was priced at 63K prior to TT&L and shipping, Kinda dumb! from a base of 48k to 63k,so 15k in options is just straight dumb! . 15k could buy you a decent daily driver. So putting options on an M4 will probably get you close to high around 85k+ if you add options.

The bottom line is the Z06 will have about 640HP and 650lbs tq. The Z06 will most likely be more reliable and easier to work on after warranty or during warranty. If you have an M4 you will rarely find people to work on your car after warranty, so you're stuck with the dealer ( this is from experience when I had my M3)

To each their own, but I'm going to be one of those people that skip out on this generation. Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful car, but with this generation it's truly hard to justify the price tag. It makes more sense to throw a few dollars extra for a Z06. By the way the mods on M3's and M4's are ludicrous. I'm talking to you (akropovic, Eisenmann, ESS, IPE, KW, Vorsteiner). Performance brands are much cheaper on non-german cars. I know it's not all about the money when you're talking about cars on this level, but it's one thing when it's reasonable and it's another when it's literal price gauging.

Good luck to you future M3/M4 owners.
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I will be passing up on this generation. The problems this car will face will probably be a nightmare since it seems like BMW can't get their act together with turbos. The "LIMP MODE" is just a matter of time, and what will be the cause? who knows, we'll wait and see the threads start popping out of no where for that, and PUMA cases being opened left and right. I had the 2009 E92 M3, and will probably be my last. If I see another M3 in my garage it won't be this new generation, since this is essentially the first turbo M3 generation. I'll definitely go the Z06 route and to the statement above, you're crazy if you think the Z06 optioned up will be around 100k, chevy is not BMW, their options cost a fraction of what these germans charge up for options (yes I'm talking to you BMW,AUDI, PORSCHE, Mercedes). GM is very reasonable on option pricing. Yesterday I was playing on the BMW website and optioned a 435i with everything and it was priced at 63K prior to TT&L and shipping, Kinda dumb! from a base of 48k to 63k,so 15k in options is just straight dumb! . 15k could buy you a decent daily driver. So putting options on an M4 will probably get you close to high around 85k+ if you add options.

The bottom line is the Z06 will have about 640HP and 650lbs tq. The Z06 will most likely be more reliable and easier to work on after warranty or during warranty. If you have an M4 you will rarely find people to work on your car after warranty, so you're stuck with the dealer ( this is from experience when I had my M3)

To each their own, but I'm going to be one of those people that skip out on this generation. Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful car, but with this generation it's truly hard to justify the price tag. It makes more sense to throw a few dollars extra for a Z06. By the way the mods on M3's and M4's are ludicrous. I'm talking to you (akropovic, Eisenmann, ESS, IPE, KW, Vorsteiner). Performance brands are much cheaper on non-german cars. I know it's not all about the money when you're talking about cars on this level, but it's one thing when it's reasonable and it's another when it's literal price gauging.

Good luck to you future M3/M4 owners.
S/C V8 600+ V8 screaming horse VS a 3.0L Line 6. ummmm yaaaa. i am skipping this gen also. and the next gen. ROFL
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Z06 has an auto tranny so that car is off my list. Waiting for M3 Nurburgring times and pro reviews before I put my money down.
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Z06 has an auto tranny so that car is off my list. Waiting for M3 Nurburgring times and pro reviews before I put my money down.
It has auto which shifts faster than DCT or a 7 speed manual.
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I will be passing up on this generation. The problems this car will face will probably be a nightmare since it seems like BMW can't get their act together with turbos. The "LIMP MODE" is just a matter of time, and what will be the cause? who knows, we'll wait and see the threads start popping out of no where for that, and PUMA cases being opened left and right. I had the 2009 E92 M3, and will probably be my last. If I see another M3 in my garage it won't be this new generation, since this is essentially the first turbo M3 generation. I'll definitely go the Z06 route and to the statement above, you're crazy if you think the Z06 optioned up will be around 100k, chevy is not BMW, their options cost a fraction of what these germans charge up for options (yes I'm talking to you BMW,AUDI, PORSCHE, Mercedes). GM is very reasonable on option pricing. Yesterday I was playing on the BMW website and optioned a 435i with everything and it was priced at 63K prior to TT&L and shipping, Kinda dumb! from a base of 48k to 63k,so 15k in options is just straight dumb! . 15k could buy you a decent daily driver. So putting options on an M4 will probably get you close to high around 85k+ if you add options.

The bottom line is the Z06 will have about 640HP and 650lbs tq. The Z06 will most likely be more reliable and easier to work on after warranty or during warranty. If you have an M4 you will rarely find people to work on your car after warranty, so you're stuck with the dealer ( this is from experience when I had my M3)

To each their own, but I'm going to be one of those people that skip out on this generation. Don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful car, but with this generation it's truly hard to justify the price tag. It makes more sense to throw a few dollars extra for a Z06. By the way the mods on M3's and M4's are ludicrous. I'm talking to you (akropovic, Eisenmann, ESS, IPE, KW, Vorsteiner). Performance brands are much cheaper on non-german cars. I know it's not all about the money when you're talking about cars on this level, but it's one thing when it's reasonable and it's another when it's literal price gauging.

Good luck to you future M3/M4 owners.
Very well said and can appreciate your opinion JPmaze. Having said that I am not an extreme performance or heavy upgrades kind of guy. Outside of some CF pieces and maybe a performance exhaust I am good with the car as is I will keep until the LCI with Comp package is available or about 3 years. Thumps up all around for BMW but I reserve the right to retract the thumb once actual pricing is announced.
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I really love the SS interior of the metallic black M4. I am a huge yes for the M4. Not as much for the M3 IMHO. I am looking forward to next week when I see these colors in person, hopefully with other M cars that are Sakhir Orange nearby
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