M3/M4 vs. Tesla Model 3 Performance

[IS350]

Of course it's more than 0-60 time, which Tesla puts near 3.2 seconds (some are recording even quicker times.) However, have any of you thought about it, for the tech, alone, as a daily driver? I knew I'd miss my M3, and all the handling capability, but I'm very happy with my Tesla.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-mode...-price-update/

Update:
A very non-technical comparison video I did on my BMW and Tesla, mostly just appearance, but hopefully this helps people who are on the fence. If able, please subscribe to the YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/M3rewards
and comment, thanks!

[mkoesel]

It was overpriced when originally announced, but after the recent decrease in base price by $14K, I would definitely be more apt to consider one.

Still not totally clear what you get for that $11k premium over the non-Performance dual-motor model ("Additional upgrades, exclusive to Performance"), but at any rate, a $64k base price for a 3.5s 0-60 seems reasonable.

[Fender150]

I cant daily drive a car that makes no sound

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Fender150

I cant daily drive a car that makes no sound

My personal thoughts on that are that if it doesn't sound like an NA V8 or V12, it might just as well not make any sound. Not that other types of engines can't or don't sound ok, its just that I could take it or leave it at that point.

[uniqueMR]

Tesla = no way

[nicknaz]

I'm personally holding off for a bit until the build quality is more of a known factor. I'm not entirely comfortable with a rush job assembly in a tent for a $64+k car

Besides, Jaguar iPace is very interesting to me, as is the upcoming Porsche Taycan. Nothing to lose by waiting a bit longer

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

I'm personally holding off for a bit until the build quality is more of a known factor. I'm not entirely comfortable with a rush job assembly in a tent for a $64+k car

Besides, Jaguar iPace is very interesting to me, as is the upcoming Porsche Taycan. Nothing to lose by waiting a bit longer

Agreed. I-pace, taycan, and the upcoming i4, 2020 and beyond is going to be a great time for electric performance cRs

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

It was overpriced when originally announced, but after the recent decrease in base price by $14K, I would definitely be more apt to consider one.

Still not totally clear what you get for that $11k premium over the non-Performance dual-motor model ("Additional upgrades, exclusive to Performance"), but at any rate, a $64k base price for a 3.5s 0-60 seems reasonable.

If it's anything like the Model S, the performance model engines are bigger, specifically meant for constant abuse of accelerations etc. more power on tap always and not artificially limited to protect engine as often.

[allinon72]

Can't deal with that interior and the car has no soul. For strictly a commuter, maybe, but the value proposition isn't there for that purpose alone.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by allinon72

Can't deal with that interior and the car has no soul. For strictly a commuter, maybe, but the value proposition isn't there for that purpose alone.

Agree on the interior, needs improvement/more options, as for soul, have you driven one? I have (base not performance) and it definitely has soul (to me) and is very very fun to drive. If you equate soul with sound and rigid feel, then I totally get it. It's a very subjective thing and not everyone will get the same emotions. Idk if I want to make the jump to electric yet, but the future is bright!

[allinon72]

I equate soul to a combination of heritage, driving dynamics, pure performance, quality, and a willingness to be pushed. It's a hard thing to adequately quantify.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by allinon72

I equate soul to a combination of heritage, driving dynamics, pure performance, quality, and a willingness to be pushed. It's a hard thing to adequately quantify.

Don't you need to drive the car before you can assess "soul"? Lol

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

If it's anything like the Model S, the performance model engines are bigger, specifically meant for constant abuse of accelerations etc. more power on tap always and not artificially limited to protect engine as often.

According to previously released information, the motors are the same but they are tested for higher load.

Having investigated a bit more, it appears the $11k is just for the load tested motor, performance oriented software (including a higher top speed), and the ability to option other P-exclusive content if desired.

https://www.model3ownersclub.com/thr...32#post-118056
https://www.model3ownersclub.com/thr...33#post-118573

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

According to previously released information, the motors are the same but they are tested for higher load.

Yeah, I think you can see on the configurator that they are the same size. I think if you watch some of the videos on the configurations on YouTube it references suspension bits, brakes, carbon fiber spoiler, 20" wheels and other random bits. A lot of it will likely be software related kind of how they charged previous owners for OTA ludicrous software update. Interested to hear when more details release.

Deja vu

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Yeah, I think if you watch some of the videos on the configurations on YouTube it references suspension bits, brakes, carbon fiber spoiler, 20" wheels and other random bits. A lot of it will likely be software related kind of how they charged previous owners for OTA ludicrous software update. Interested to hear when more details release.

Deja vu

The brakes, spoiler, and wheels are now optional at extra cost. Suspension, it would appear, is the same as the non-Performance dual motor model.

Like I said in my previous post, it’s just the hand picked motor and software, or so it appears at the moment unless new information comes to light.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

The brakes, spoiler, and wheels are now optional at extra cost. Suspension, it would appear, is the same as the non-Performance dual motor model.

Like I said in my previous post, it’s just the hand picked motor and software, or so it appears at the moment unless new information comes to light.

Danke!

[M3_WC]

I'd wait for Porsche Taycan.

[IS350]

Good comments! If offered on the M3/4, would any of you pay for an autopilot equivalent? I definitely would for traffic.

[IS350]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

The brakes, spoiler, and wheels are now optional at extra cost. Suspension, it would appear, is the same as the non-Performance dual motor model.

Like I said in my previous post, it’s just the hand picked motor and software, or so it appears at the moment unless new information comes to light.

Feels subjective that they have "better" batteries/motors. I'd feel better if I knew the performance version came with a larger battery.

[Roch M4]

Comparing a Tesla with a BMW can not just be limited to 0 - 60 mph figures.

I mean, did you see the Model 3? Did you see how the panels and trims are misaligned? It's like a Mazda 3 with an electric motor and the build quality of a 1990 Kia. Even a Model S has poor quality of assembly.

[FC4]

Originally Posted by Roch M4

Comparing a Tesla with a BMW can not just be limited to 0 - 60 mph figures.

I mean, did you see the Model 3? Did you see how the panels and trims are misaligned? It's like a Mazda 3 with an electric motor and the build quality of a 1990 Kia. Even a Model S has poor quality of assembly.

Model 3s have been hit or miss, but the build quality on my Model S is perfect. Not a single squeak or rattle from the interior. Ask me how bad the interior of my M4 rattles.

[nicknaz]

A colleague just got his model 3 and feels it is better than a 328 or c300 interior. I need to check for myself