M3/M4 vs W205 C63 AMG

signes · 10-29-2013, 11:43 AM

Only a few images leaked out but they look impressive, interior IMO looks stunning. A lot of unanswered questions on engine, trans, weight, etc., but this has my attention (never would have said that about a Merc before.)

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/29/2...s-images-leak/

lux · 10-29-2013, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by signes

Only a few images leaked out but they look impressive, interior IMO looks stunning. A lot of unanswered questions on engine, trans, weight, etc., but this has my attention (never would have said that about a Merc before.)

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/29/2...s-images-leak/

Looks like a baby new S class, which is not a bad thing. Hopefully after they give it the AMG treatment it will look more agressive. I do like what BMW is doing with the F80 exterior design--CF roof, wider track with flared fenders, agressive hood, etc...

Ghetto2315 · 10-29-2013, 12:40 PM

Love what the future is bringing...

BMW M4
MB C63 AMG
Audi RS5
Caddy ATS-V
Lexus RC-F
And if Volvo ever grows a pair... the S60 Polestar

Tacoma · 10-29-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nal13

... I do think that in the northeast, the merc will outsell the M4 solely because of the AWD. This fact alone will likely steer me towards the Merc, even though I have always wanted a M3 (now M4). I know its sac relig but if the M4 was to have an AWD option, I would already have an order in. If Porsche/Lambo/Merc/and even Ferrari are doing it, why not the M division???

It was once sacrilegious for BMW to have turbos, but here we are. It was once sacrilegious for BMW not to have a manual gearbox, but the next M5 will not have one.

I think as power continue to increase north of 500+ hp, it just makes more sense to have AWD and this BMW sacrilegiousness will fall by the wayside as well. I'm not sure there's anything sacrilegious at BMW anymore.

As a Canadian resident, it may make more sense to get AWD as a better year-round car. And if the AWD weight penalty is not that great (as has been reported by MB), all the better.

m3ct · 10-29-2013, 02:53 PM

new leaked images of the exterior and interior:

http://jalopnik.com/2015-mercedes-c-...-it-1453964082

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/29/2...s-images-leak/

Love the interior and grill (the version on jalopnik). Guessing that may be AMG version?

Starting to make me re-think my F80 order....but doesn't seem as aggressive and sporty as the M3. AWD and 450+hp are always nice though

pkimM3r · 10-29-2013, 03:55 PM

after watching the yas marina blue m3.....i take back all the c63 crap i said earlier LOL.

edit: just clicked the link above...if I was a merc guy, I would be furious as to what just happened to the design of the c

LDSM · 10-29-2013, 06:54 PM

The new C class & ATS Coupe will definitely have my attention

gblansten · 10-29-2013, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by m3ct

new leaked images of the exterior and interior:

http://jalopnik.com/2015-mercedes-c-...-it-1453964082

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/29/2...s-images-leak/

Love the interior and grill (the version on jalopnik). Guessing that may be AMG version?

Starting to make me re-think my F80 order....but doesn't seem as aggressive and sporty as the M3. AWD and 450+hp are always nice though

European pedestrian crash laws are destroying the looks of our cars.

cambit · 10-29-2013, 08:21 PM

I would definitely be interested to see the new C205 C63 AMG but in black seriesform.

pkimM3r · 10-29-2013, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gblansten

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Originally Posted by m3ct

new leaked images of the exterior and interior:

http://jalopnik.com/2015-mercedes-c-...-it-1453964082

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/29/2...s-images-leak/

Love the interior and grill (the version on jalopnik). Guessing that may be AMG version?

Starting to make me re-think my F80 order....but doesn't seem as aggressive and sporty as the M3. AWD and 450+hp are always nice though

European pedestrian crash laws are destroying the looks of our cars.

Its just a hood line gees.

Have you seen the new mercs? They getting all crazy with the design. Looks like wavy lions manes everywhere!

Ezio · 10-30-2013, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by gblansten

European pedestrian crash laws are destroying the looks of our cars.

i have heard that before.

BMW M3 CRT · 10-30-2013, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghetto2315

Love what the future is bringing...

BMW M4
MB C63 AMG
Audi RS5
Caddy ATS-V
Lexus RC-F
And if Volvo ever grows a pair... the S60 Polestar

You forgot Jaguar XS-R(S)

basscadet · 11-04-2013, 05:31 PM

There are some European leaks on the MB forums that indicate that the C55 (which is what it might be called, even though it is a 4.0 liter V8) will use a DCT transmission from ZF which is the same place BMW gets their 7-speed.

No question the power will be there as the 4.0 liter V8 is actually just two of the CLA45's engines (2 liter, 4cyl) "fused" together. Remember, the CLA45 makes 355hp/332ft/lb....just with 2 liters! Now I am sure we won't see double that output but is there any doubt this car will not make significantly more power than the 3.0 turbo 6 in the M3? There is no replacement for displacement....especially for displacement used so efficiently as the CLA45. 2 liter making 355hp?!

GregW / Oregon · 11-04-2013, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by basscadet

No question the power will be there as the 4.0 liter V8 is actually just two of the CLA45's engines (2 liter, 4cyl) "fused" together. Remember, the CLA45 makes 355hp/332ft/lb....just with 2 liters! Now I am sure we won't see double that output but is there any doubt this car will not make significantly more power than the 3.0 turbo 6 in the M3? There is no replacement for displacement....especially for displacement used so efficiently as the CLA45. 2 liter making 355hp?!

Quite a mill, for sure. But the i8's 1.5L 3 cylinder puts out 231 hp, which is no slouch. Double that for the M3/4 and you've got 462, if my math is right. Torque is 236 lb. ft. Of course the i8 has an electric motor to make sure there is no hole at the bottom with a big turbo.

GIdriver · 11-05-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ezio

"Just as its rivals downsize to high-performance fours and sixes, AMG is reportedly working on a brand new V-8, albeit one smaller than we’re used to seeing from the official tuner to Mercedes-Benz."

RESPECT

i am really leaning towards the new C63 AMG for next car

Me too.

ixse · 11-05-2013, 10:19 PM

only if merc lease on c63 amg can match the M3 lease rates.. i'll have to think real hard on this one..

gblansten · 11-05-2013, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ixse

only if merc lease on c63 amg can match the M3 lease rates.. i'll have to think real hard on this one..

Traditionally Mercedes has been much less competitive on leases. They certainly were for the C63.

ixse · 11-05-2013, 11:35 PM

yea.. c63 lease would be near .1200 per mo.. little too much for that car i think..

pfl · 11-25-2013, 02:35 PM

I leased a 73.5K MSRP 2013 C63 for 820/month+Tax with nothing down, not even drive offs.

paddy335 · 11-25-2013, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gblansten

European pedestrian crash laws are destroying the looks of our cars.

Probably a very good thing if you are ever one of those pedestrians

paddy335 · 11-25-2013, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pfl

I leased a 73.5K MSRP 2013 C63 for 820/month+Tax with nothing down, not even drive offs.

You Americans are SPOILED with your lease prices!!!!

jbockrd · 11-25-2013, 04:28 PM

Holy crap that's a great lease price

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