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12-15-2019, 03:44 PM | #133 |
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Here's how you're supposed to react to modern BMWs, as stated by our trusty automotive journalists.
If it's an M2 with the S55, with same equipment, and similar weight = it's the greatest car of all time. If it's an M3/M4 with the S55, with same equipment, and similar weight, it's a numb piece of shit with a terrible sounding exhaust that sucks on the track. Hope that covers it for anyone confused. |
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I can't remember if I read in C&D or Road & Track that a journalist was talking to a development engineer who said something like, it's because of you journalists that constantly expect better performance numbers each year that the manufacturers are proitizing better performance at the expense of making a better car overall.
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Tendency would be to hammer DCT if I had one... the shifts are fast and power is constant. Good set of tires and proper tire pressure and Judicious use of throttle/gas pedal |
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The M2 gets so much acclaim because of its size, the short wheelbase really changes the character of the drive despite the inputs being very similar. I drove the F80 before acquiring my M2C, and this was by far the biggest difference. The M2C is a lot more playful, and given how under tired it is from the factory is quite a handful with a lower limit. The M2 feels a lot closer to my E46 than my E90 M3. Both the M2C and F80 fantastic cars though. |
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'M4 steering is shit' gives way to 'M2 steering is great' and one after the other In the end I agree with Chris Harris' review back in like 2015, where he said the haters had to learn how to drive before criticizing the M3. It's also interesting to see comparisons between a M4 with 255/275 PSS tires compared against a SS 1LE with 305 front tires... apples to oranges |
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I hope Bmw gives that type of wider 200tw tire and camber plates setup stock in the future, especially on CS models, which were supposedly designed for cup 2 (but nerfed with PSS here I the US). Also, bmw should note the American cars can fit 305 wide tires in front and hopefully will plan for more clearance so the next gen can accept that setup |
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I mean it's cool to have things like the SS 1LE etc that are fast, however, driving those cars on the street is going to suck, especially if you add a track alignment. The F series has space to fit a 285 R1 under the front fender... that's a very fat tire. BMW does give you space to fit track dedicated stuff if you want |
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The conversation we were having i thought was why ss 1LE etc are faster than F80/F82 stock vs stock, and part of it is because it comes with 285 front/ 305 rear 200tw tire from the factory, while F80/F82 has 255 / 275 300tw commuter tires (and BMW has appx -1 deg front camber, non adjustable, and Chevy can be -2 with adjustment possible) |
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None of the cars we're discussing are really track specials. For the people who really want to track you can easily just swap wheels. People seem to think the SS 1LE is some kind of mythical beast on the track... it isn't. At 3800lb it's not going to be faster than a E9X with basic track mods. |
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100% agreed. The track rats will be towing competition cars of some sort, but we are on a “trackable street car” forum so let’s go with that. https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1672415 Linking the related thread on the track forum to keep the SS 1LE vs F82 zcp over there |
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