F80 M3 or wait for F82 M4

[NAV8TT]

Thanks everyone. Everything is coming together in me mind. When do you guys think the E92/93 M3 production will stop?

[nbennettksu]

^July

...I smell troll

[NAV8TT]

Originally Posted by nbennettksu

^July

...I smell troll

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[Grail05]

get the coupe. and if you have kids... buy another car...

[Bubajay]

Holy crap...what a waste of a thread. USE IT!...or better yet, you can just google these questions. Don't mean to be a jerk, just telling it like it is.

[car_fan]

Originally Posted by ONE-77

Cheers,

Currently, I'm in my 3rd BMW. E92-> E90-> F30. I'm going to be moving to another town soon and settling down. The idea of taking the next step up towards an M3 has been haunting me excessively lately. I'm reviewing all the news about the upcoming F80. All what we know about it is limited. But what we know for sure, is that the F80 M3 is coming late 2013 and the F82 M4 is coming mid/late 2014. I don't know how do people who are looking at the new M3 feel about that or experienced the same issue before. Do you care if its a saloon or a coupe. Im kinda leaning towards waiting for the coupe but it sucks coz it's a lot of waiting + my wife is all over me with being against the coupe idea if we gonna have kids in the future (that was another question, how do M3 coupe owners deal with that).

Thanks

MR

Let the wife know that a car seat fits in the E92 ///M3 without issue

[AhsanU]

Neither.

Like all new high performance cars that BMW makes, there's bound to be one or two serious flaws with the car that will warrant a recall. Previous M3's and the current M5 is a testament to that.

You can just buy an X5M or a Cayenne Turbo and call it a day. Those things are fast, seat 4 very luxuriously, and are pretty good looking.

[calvinwu]

definitely F82 M4

[mpower3330]

Get the F80 M3 sedan. I had the same questions as you. I decided to go the F80 route and just put a deposit down (3rd one on the list) at Classic BMW in Dallas.

[Wraith.]

Originally Posted by mpower3330

Get the F80 M3 sedan. I had the same questions as you. I decided to go the F80 route and just put a deposit down (3rd one on the list) at Classic BMW in Dallas.

You're able to put down a deposit??

[mpower3330]

Yeah, it's a $1,000 refundable deposit to have a spot to order. There is very little information available through the dealer but they are taking deposits to hold spots. I figured that it doesn't hurt since it is refundable. The security deposit form guaranteed me the 3rd spot for the dealer and also mentioned that it will be sold at MSRP.

[Wraith.]

interesting, going to give that a try, thanks

[Wraith.]

Update: Confirmed however I'm told it's $2500 for M's.

[mpower3330]

It probably depends on the dealer. I have a receipt and confirmation order form, as well as credit charge, to validate it. This dealer has also done business with my father for 20 years, but I highly doubt that would give me a lower deposit amount. Don't let them BS you.

[NAV8TT]

Thinking about what happened when I got the 1st production of the F30 and the issues that came up makes me a bit concerned about getting a first production of the new M3. I think many here agree with that. So now, Im thinking about getting an E92 2013 around May of next year for 2-3 yrs then switching. Many of you talk about how awesome the S65 V8 and how people will miss it.

[Wraith.]

That's probably wise choice and if I hadn't just spent 2 weeks convincing the wife of the merits of the new plan, I'd consider going that route. However, since everything is covered under warranty, I'm willing to be the Beta tester for y'all. Though B-testing while on an ED could be potentially hairy....

[mpower3330]

Wraith, I was told ED won't be available for 6-12 months post the start of the first deliveries to the US. I feel like all the dealers are BS'ing everyone but just letting you know that's what I was told. My sales guy also mentioned that there most likely will not be a 7% discount for going the ED route.

[jphughan]

Originally Posted by mpower3330

Wraith, I was told ED won't be available for 6-12 months post the start of the first deliveries to the US. I feel like all the dealers are BS'ing everyone but just letting you know that's what I was told. My sales guy also mentioned that there most likely will not be a 7% discount for going the ED route.

ED not being available for 6-12 months post-launch would be unprecedented as far as I'm aware, so my money is on that being bogus. As for not getting the discount, that's entirely possible. The dealer gets to decide the sale price of the car, regardless of his/her invoice price, and selling an ED car at US MSRP would be the equivalent of the "market adjustments" that tend to accompany hot new cars. And in fact if ED F80s will come out of a dealer's allocation (ED cars normally don't and are instead considered bonus sales), not offering the ED discount would even be a (somewhat) understandable tactic, since in that case the dealer would be passing on an opportunity to sell an F80 in the US with a huge profit markup by using an allocation to sell you an ED car, and they'll of course want to recoup at least some of that loss through you. I believe the new M6 at least initially was set up so that ED sales came out of dealer allocations, but not the M5.

Of course if ED F80s do NOT come out of dealer allocations AND the dealer denies the discount anyway, that would be stupendously greedy.

[mpower3330]

Originally Posted by jphughan

ED not being available for 6-12 months post-launch would be unprecedented as far as I'm aware, so my money is on that being bogus. As for not getting the discount, that's entirely possible. The dealer gets to decide the sale price of the car, regardless of his/her invoice price, and selling an ED car at US MSRP would be the equivalent of the "market adjustments" that tend to accompany hot new cars. It's also possible that ED F80s will come out of a dealer's allocation (ED cars normally don't and are instead considered bonus sales), in which case the dealer not offering the discount could make a bit more sense, because in that case the dealer would be passing on an opportunity to sell with a huge profit markup by using an allocation to sell you an ED car, and they'll probably want to recoup at least some of that through you. I believe the new M6 at least initially was set up so that ED sales came out of dealer allocations, but not the M5.

Of course if ED F80s do NOT come out of dealer allocations AND the dealer denies the discount anyway, that would be stupendously greedy.

That sounds right. It amazes me how little these sales people know and/or how much they BS. I did hear though, from my sales guys, that the ED will now be coming out of the dealer's allocation.

[Wraith.]

The guy I used for the ED of my Z specializes in Euro Delivery. It's kind of a pain because he's in a different state but we did everything over email/fedex and it was absolutely seamless. There was Zero negotiating, 1000 over invoice (Z4iS was brand new), and done. I trust him as he knows that I haunt these forums daily and come armed with the actual invoice prices.

Anyway, he seems to believe that a Sept. 2014 ED of the F80 is not a problem according the schedule that he has seen. Further, I can't imagine that, with a scheduled release in Germany of Fall 2013, that it wouldn't be available to pickup at Welt a year later.

[NAV8TT]

Originally Posted by Wraith.

That's probably wise choice and if I hadn't just spent 2 weeks convincing the wife of the merits of the new plan, I'd consider going that route. However, since everything is covered under warranty, I'm willing to be the Beta tester for y'all. Though B-testing while on an ED could be potentially hairy....

Good to know but I'd be very careful coz 2 dealerships and BMWNA gave me the run around with some of these F30 issues. Keep us posted my friend.

[Blindside_137]

Originally Posted by mdyaman

I would recommend not buying a first, or even second model year when the new M3/M4 comes out. Too much potential for kinks and gremlins for BMW to sort out. Let the model mature in its production cycle and finish going through "growing pains". lol

For example, the new F10 M5 has seen some issues ranging from suspension issues, fuel pump (but that was a bad batch from their supplier), windshield wind noise, Valvetronic solenoid, and other drivetrain malfunctions.

This, enjoy the f30. And think about it more.

What's the advantage over the coupe with kids in the equation? The coupe still has room for car seats. A convertible would be the easiest to fit kiddos in, with the top down you have all the room you could want.