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      09-23-2014, 07:09 AM   #1
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M4 vs M3 e92 (tune) [video]

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M4 must have still been in break in shifting at 5k. Also why is the one e92 so far behind? Damn that pulley added some power....
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M4 must have still been in break in shifting at 5k. Also why is the one e92 so far behind? Damn that pulley added some power....
I can only assume the middle car has DCT. Would have thought the M4 would have clawed it way back though.

In before E9x vs F80/2 war starts.

P.S. Thanks for sharing OP.
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I can only assume the middle car has DCT. Would have thought the M4 would have clawed it way back though.

In before E9x vs F80/2 war starts.

P.S. Thanks for sharing OP.
Yeah DCT shouldn't make that much difference. I've been on both ends of those runs

Anyway - very interesting video. I would have thought the F80 would have gotten the torque jump to start the race if anything. I guess that's where I'm surprised.
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Yeah DCT shouldn't make that much difference. I've been on both ends of those runs

Anyway - very interesting video. I would have thought the F80 would have gotten the torque jump to start the race if anything. I guess that's where I'm surprised.
torque is less important that people think.
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torque is less important that people think.
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Yeah DCT shouldn't make that much difference. I've been on both ends of those runs

Anyway - very interesting video. I would have thought the F80 would have gotten the torque jump to start the race if anything. I guess that's where I'm surprised.
torque is less important that people think.
True, when in the right RPM!

I've learned that while racing against my friends Stingray from rolls, I seem to always take a lead as soon as we get on it, no matter what gear, I would have expected the opposite from a car that has a much better tq/weight ratio then mine! Overhall it's pretty equal between us exept for that little lead that I take at the beginning!

here's what a 3rd gear pull looked like:
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Looks like the M4 is dct. . If the M4 had the jb4 it would have been a different outcome
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m4 driver didnt know what hes doing lol. see my other thread:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1031015

unless that m3 is a freak and by freak, doing better than a 11.9 1/4 which would make it a record for bolt on, then i attribute this to m4 driver error
1/4 mile run performance doesn't necessarily reflect the same results in all out high speed race. We all know the new M advantage is in mid RPM. I don't see any error, no bogging or any mis-shifts, what mistake did driver do? It just looks like it lost steam up top. Even the camera car kept pace once the race got up there.
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      09-23-2014, 01:22 PM   #12
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m4 driver didnt know what hes doing lol. see my other thread:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1031015

unless that m3 is a freak and by freak, doing better than a 11.9 1/4 which would make it a record for bolt on, then i attribute this to m4 driver error
I'm not saying that this E92 is faster then the M4, but I think you need to understand something, 1/4 mile racing and highway racing is really two different worlds. A good exemple of that is a stock 1M that does pretty much the same 1/4 mile time and trap as a stock manual M3 like mine, but when I was racing my friend on the highway, as soon as we arrived at 120-140km/h I started pulling on him VERY easily, to the point I was wondering if he had stop racing, that's the difference between V8 and 6cyl turbo!
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people also forget that exotic cars like Ferrari are not torque monsters. they have a lot more HP than torque. Because on a track, or rolling racing. Torque is less important.

torque makes your trip to wallmart more fun. that is what torque does.

I also hating looking at 0-60 times, or 1/4 mile times. beucase those kind of races are only about how well you can grip. I have seen a stock E92 M3 beat a 2014 GT500 at the drag strip because the GT500 was spinning more.
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I'm not saying that this E92 is faster then the M4, but I think you need to understand something, 1/4 mile racing and highway racing is really two different worlds. A good exemple of that is a stock 1M that does pretty much the same 1/4 mile time and trap as a stock manual M3 like mine, but when I was racing my friend on the highway, as soon as we arrived at 120-140km/h I started pulling on him VERY easily, to the point I was wondering if he had stop racing, that's the difference between V8 and 6cyl turbo!
Its not really the 1/4 time thats important, its the trap speed. And trap speed gives a good indication of where a car also stands from a roll. Of course traction and a few other things play a part. But I would say the E92 would have to be trapping somewhere around 120-121mph by the way it pulled on the M4. And thats if the M4 was in fact being driven correctly and have good traction. And I'm not sure how many E92 M3s can trap 121 with bolt ons and a tune.
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I'm not saying that this E92 is faster then the M4, but I think you need to understand something, 1/4 mile racing and highway racing is really two different worlds. A good exemple of that is a stock 1M that does pretty much the same 1/4 mile time and trap as a stock manual M3 like mine, but when I was racing my friend on the highway, as soon as we arrived at 120-140km/h I started pulling on him VERY easily, to the point I was wondering if he had stop racing, that's the difference between V8 and 6cyl turbo!
Its not really the 1/4 time thats important, its the trap speed. And trap speed gives a good indication of where a car also stands from a roll. Of course traction and a few other things play a part. But I would say the E92 would have to be trapping somewhere around 120-121mph by the way it pulled on the M4. And thats if the M4 was in fact being driven correctly and have good traction. And I'm not sure how many E92 M3s can trap 121 with bolt ons and a tune.
With all due respect, I think you're wrong, I'm not saying that trap speed is not a better indicator of the performance then just the 1/4 mile time but in this case, trap speed wont tell everything. It wont tell which car accelarate faster at the beginning and end of the 1/4 mile, it just tells you how fast they are passing the line!

What I'm saying is that I think that even if an E9x trap a bit slower the an F8x, it could still mean that on the highway, at higher speed, the E9x will be faster. Take the 1M again as an exemple, it's a ~110mph trap car, a stock manual e9x M3 is a ~111mph, despite them trapping very close to each other, the 1M at highway speed can't even dream of competing angainst the M3! The way I would explain those similar traps is that the 1M accelarate faster then the M3 at the beginning of the 1/4 mile while the E9x accelerate faster at the end, which would mean that on a highway pull like in this video the 1M would have no chance even if they have similar traps!
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With all due respect, I think you're wrong, I'm not saying that trap speed is not a better indicator of the performance then just the 1/4 mile time but in this case, trap speed wont tell everything. It wont tell which car accelarate faster at the beginning and end of the 1/4 mile, it just tells you how fast they are passing the line!

What I'm saying is that I think that even if an E9x trap a bit slower the an F8x, it could still mean that on the highway, at higher speed, the E9x will be faster. Take the 1M again as an exemple, it's a ~110mph trap car, a stock manual e9x M3 is a ~111mph, despite them trapping very close to each other, the 1M at highway speed can't even dream of competing angainst the M3! The way I would explain those similar traps is that the 1M accelarate faster then the M3 at the beginning of the 1/4 mile while the E9x accelerate faster at the end, which would mean that on a highway pull like in this video the 1M would have no chance even if they have similar traps!
I understand your stance, however, I think your figures for the 1M are a little off. From what I remember at the track, the 1M is a 107mph car in the quarter. I've seen other figures of 106 and 108. The E9x M3 traps higher and does the 1/4 faster. So I think your numbers make your theory incorrect. A 1M isn't that far behind an E9x M3 in the quarter and is a few mph slower, but from a highway roll, the 1M should get pulled on bc of the mph difference it has in the 1/4 trap speed. Comparing 1/4 trap speeds is a good way to determine an idea of the outcome in a highway race. Yes, other factors play a part, but if things like driver ability, traction, etc are all equal.... I would expect the car with the higher 1/4 trap speed to have the edge in a highway race.
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With all due respect, I think you're wrong, I'm not saying that trap speed is not a better indicator of the performance then just the 1/4 mile time but in this case, trap speed wont tell everything. It wont tell which car accelarate faster at the beginning and end of the 1/4 mile, it just tells you how fast they are passing the line!

What I'm saying is that I think that even if an E9x trap a bit slower the an F8x, it could still mean that on the highway, at higher speed, the E9x will be faster. Take the 1M again as an exemple, it's a ~110mph trap car, a stock manual e9x M3 is a ~111mph, despite them trapping very close to each other, the 1M at highway speed can't even dream of competing angainst the M3! The way I would explain those similar traps is that the 1M accelarate faster then the M3 at the beginning of the 1/4 mile while the E9x accelerate faster at the end, which would mean that on a highway pull like in this video the 1M would have no chance even if they have similar traps!
I understand your stance, however, I think your figures for the 1M are a little off. From what I remember at the track, the 1M is a 107mph car in the quarter. I've seen other figures of 106 and 108. The E9x M3 traps higher and does the 1/4 faster. So I think your numbers make your theory incorrect. A 1M isn't that far behind an E9x M3 in the quarter and is a few mph slower, but from a highway roll, the 1M should get pulled on bc of the mph difference it has in the 1/4 trap speed. Comparing 1/4 trap speeds is a good way to determine an idea of the outcome in a highway race. Yes, other factors play a part, but if things like driver ability, traction, etc are all equal.... I would expect the car with the higher 1/4 trap speed to have the edge in a highway race.
Not that I want to arge with you but I tend to believe what I see up there, also the M3 "manual" does'nt trap much higher then this, in fact my absolute best time is exactly the same as this 1M, it's 12.8@110mph and my best trap is 111mph in a 12.9 run, those were accomplished after at least 50 runs at the drag strip on many different days and with 94octane fuel, I personnaly have'nt seen any manual E9x doing better.
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C and d tested a manual at113 mph

But I also think part of the issue for the 1m is it's awful aero. It is very unstable and innefjcient at high speeds compared to the m3. It's evident on the track in both. That was the only downside to my 1m on track imo
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Interesting.

My e92 DCT with x-pipe only, otherwise 100 stock, ran the same 60-130 as the M4 just posted in another thread.
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C and d tested a manual at113 mph

But I also think part of the issue for the 1m is it's awful aero. It is very unstable and innefjcient at high speeds compared to the m3. It's evident on the track in both. That was the only downside to my 1m on track imo
Not to argue with you either but IMO that's impossible(or very very very unlikely), 113mph with a stock manual E9x is far from what we see everywhere, not like the 110mph from the 1M that's been replicated at more then one place.

As for the aero on the 1M, maybe it's bad, but it's clearly the engine that runs out of breath the real problem. I did a lot of second gear pulls against my friend on the highway and it was always the same thing, dead even up to end of my third where I start to go kind of easily and then shift in fourth and simply go like it was nothing. The aero would'nt play that big of a role at around ~150-200km/h, again IMO!
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Not to argue with you either but IMO that's impossible(or very very very unlikely), 113mph with a stock manual E9x is far from what we see everywhere, not like the 110mph from the 1M that's been replicated at more then one place.

As for the aero on the 1M, maybe it's bad, but it's clearly the engine that runs out of breath the real problem. I did a lot of second gear pulls against my friend on the highway and it was always the same thing, dead even up to end of my third where I start to go kind of easily and then shift in fourth and simply go like it was nothing. The aero would'nt play that big of a role at around ~150-200km/h, again IMO!
113mph has been done and so has 114. Just like you just said the 113mph is far from what we see everyday, the same goes for 110mph in the 1M. Everyone isn't duplicating that figure. Just do a simple search and you will see a lot of 107s and 108. The M3 puts up higher trap speeds overall and that is why it will pull the 1M on the highway. A 1M and E92 M3 driven on the same day, same conditions, same driver, will not have the same 1/4 trap. The E92 M3 will be faster.
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