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      10-20-2020, 03:54 PM   #177
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that's surprising if true.
I really hope not. I know the values will rise with time but it's too soon. I need to buy one first!
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that's surprising if true.
I really hope not. I know the values will rise with time but it's too soon. I need to buy one first!
I confirmed it. It really did sell at asking price. DC area has too much money I guess
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I really hope not. I know the values will rise with time but it's too soon. I need to buy one first!
Cheapest GTS in Europe (at least on AutoScout) is at 110k EUR = $130k USD.

The values are already quite strong in Europe.

A European CoC (Certificate of Conformance) from BMW is only $130 - I am quite surprised more cars have not been exported. Even with VAT/duties, an $80k car here would be ~88k EUR. It's definitely a bit of a hassle for seller/buyer, but both could do pretty well on that transaction. It's certainly an avenue I will explore when it's time to move on.
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      10-21-2020, 08:33 AM   #180
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I confirmed it. It really did sell at asking price. DC area has too much money I guess
Ya, that seems like an impulse buy or maybe the deal terms (trade value etc) worked for the buyer. 12k miles is not high in the grand scheme of things so hope the new buyer enjoys it.

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Cheapest GTS in Europe (at least on AutoScout) is at 110k EUR = $130k USD.

The values are already quite strong in Europe.

A European CoC (Certificate of Conformance) from BMW is only $130 - I am quite surprised more cars have not been exported. Even with VAT/duties, an $80k car here would be ~88k EUR. It's definitely a bit of a hassle for seller/buyer, but both could do pretty well on that transaction. It's certainly an avenue I will explore when it's time to move on.
That's really interesting. You would think more would have been snapped up from here?
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That’s a really strong price. Hope the buyer at least got a CPO warranty thrown in, as those are all mostly coming off original warranty now
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Super expensive to import into Europe. Even in an uncivilized country like Spain (where I'm from) you're going to pay 20% VAT + 15% carVAT to even begin the conversation. And they'll base VAT on whatever the hell they want, probably market price in Europe.

If you're a Spaniard returning to Spain and you've owned the car for over 6 months there's a slight break, but overall still a tough thing to do.

Growing up over there I permanently fantasized about bringing American cars over.


EDIT: I will say this though, if I have to go back to Europe due to unforseen circumstances I will sell all my current cars including my beloved mint Montecarlo blue E92 and buy two GTS
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If I ever move back to Europe can I take my GTS with me with no issues?
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If I ever move back to Europe can I take my GTS with me with no issues?
less cost than if you're not originally from Europe. You need to hire a company to do it. An ex-gf's parents brought the Porsche they had in the US back to Europe, it can be done
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Super expensive to import into Europe. Even in an uncivilized country like Spain (where I'm from) you're going to pay 20% VAT + 15% carVAT to even begin the conversation. And they'll base VAT on whatever the hell they want, probably market price in Europe.

If you're a Spaniard returning to Spain and you've owned the car for over 6 months there's a slight break, but overall still a tough thing to do.

Growing up over there I permanently fantasized about bringing American cars over.
To bring one to Germany, the total cost is price of car + 29% VAT + other costs (CoC, shipping, etc). That's definitely a lot.

But the cheapest one in Germany is $130K. And you can get very good examples in the US for $80-$85k. Even with the hassle of international purchasing, shipping, duties, VAT, obtaining a CoC and legalizing the car, you still are saving a significant chunk of change.

Shipping is maybe $2k containerized, CoC is cheap ($130), the car + VAT is around $110k.

Saving 15k EUR seems like it might be worth it to someone. And that's just using the cheapest car in the Euro market. The price for a typical low mileage car in Europe is probably closer to $150k.
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To bring one to Germany, the total cost is price of car + 29% VAT + other costs (CoC, shipping, etc). That's definitely a lot.

But the cheapest one in Germany is $130K. And you can get very good examples in the US for $80-$85k. Even with the hassle of international purchasing, shipping, duties, VAT, obtaining a CoC and legalizing the car, you still are saving a significant chunk of change.

Shipping is maybe $2k containerized, CoC is cheap ($130), the car + VAT is around $110k.

Saving 15k EUR seems like it might be worth it to someone. And that's just using the cheapest car in the Euro market. The price for a typical low mileage car in Europe is probably closer to $150k.
please don't give anyone ideas... prices are already rising as is.
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I confirmed it. It really did sell at asking price. DC area has too much money I guess
Wow! Just Wow... I mean, great for some of us that have these cars... but I can't believe anyone would overpay by that much, when there are much better options out there.

Like @786 said... could have been an impulse buy or a trade-in deal.
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Ya, there must be more to that story. Several other objectively better options on the market.
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Cheapest GTS in Europe (at least on AutoScout) is at 110k EUR = $130k USD.

The values are already quite strong in Europe.

A European CoC (Certificate of Conformance) from BMW is only $130 - I am quite surprised more cars have not been exported. Even with VAT/duties, an $80k car here would be ~88k EUR. It's definitely a bit of a hassle for seller/buyer, but both could do pretty well on that transaction. It's certainly an avenue I will explore when it's time to move on.
Very true. Going up fast in Europe. Cheapest one is at 130,000 and up to 200,000+
Check www.theparking-cars.com and you can search for bmw m4gts by country.
Prices have been rising significantly in the past few weeks.
That car is a keeper though...
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ya i dont care about values, its definitely a keeper. checks all the boxes for me, but most important its fun and entertaining to drive. ive driven many more expensive cars that i didnt enjoy.
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FYI, price lowered again

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This is one of those low mile ones where if it's coming off warranty, the purchaser could be in for a hefty bill if the water injection system does not work. Unless they don't care.

I mean of course it's gorgeous. That is my favorite color.
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Was a black CPO east coast of Florida. Listed for mid-90's, 1,xxx mileage (I think), didn't last long.
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This is one of those low mile ones where if it's coming off warranty, the purchaser could be in for a hefty bill if the water injection system does not work. Unless they don't care.

I mean of course it's gorgeous. That is my favorite color.
Thatís true, is yours frozen grey as well? I donít recall if youíve posted photos before.
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This is one of those low mile ones where if it's coming off warranty, the purchaser could be in for a hefty bill if the water injection system does not work. Unless they don't care.

I mean of course it's gorgeous. That is my favorite color.
That's true, is yours frozen grey as well? I don't recall if you've posted photos before.
Yes, I don't think I posted any pictures but mine is that color. I'll post a few, I just installed a tow hook type front plate mount because front plates are required in Texas. It isn't enforced very often but I've actually been pulled over in my GT 350 R 🤨
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So one of my friends fell in love with my car and is now looking for one. He checked on Autotrader, only 8 for sale in the whole country and 1 is at msrp so really only 7 realistic options. Supply seems to be drying up.
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So one of my friends fell in love with my car and is now looking for one. He checked on Autotrader, only 8 for sale in the whole country and 1 is at msrp so really only 7 realistic options. Supply seems to be drying up.
Yep, agree with this. There is one in Ohio with ~10.5k miles for $73k - that seems to me to be by far the best deal on the market at present.

I see a day not so long from now when they are $100k+ except for higher mileage examples like mine. Just look to Europe, it's already happened there (though their supply is significantly lower than ours and demand is probably a bit higher).
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Yep, agree with this. There is one in Ohio with ~10.5k miles for $73k - that seems to me to be by far the best deal on the market at present.

I see a day not so long from now when they are $100k+ except for higher mileage examples like mine. Just look to Europe, it's already happened there (though their supply is significantly lower than ours and demand is probably a bit higher).
You mind PM'ing me the Ohio car? I'll pass it on to my friend. He was looking for a GT3RS but he will not track + motor issues on those + he got to drive my car so now he wants a GTS lol.

Would be cool if you're right about values in the future, I don't really care personally but would be nice to see the car get recognized for what it is.
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