World Premiere: BMW M4 Coupe Concept

[Theride]

car truly looks great. and if you dont like it now, you will like it later. safe to say its leaps and bounds better looking in picture than the e92.

[Theride]

And for the guys worried about performance, has bmw ever made an m3 thats lesser than the previous generation?

[flyga3]

Beautiful!! Can't wait to hear it rev!

[NAV8TT]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

I love this. For the guys with the '12-'13 E92's...now you know, deep in your souls, that patience is a virtue. Now you have to wait 2-3 years until your lease is up, or if you made the mistake of buying it when you KNEW there was a new M coming and that resale on your "classic" M3 would plummet, you can nitpick the hell out of this car, but you know you're experiencing shrinkage.

So be introspective. You'll get one in a couple-3 years, and in 2020, you can tear apart the new design for betraying the legendary F82.

And make the same mistake I made with getting an F30 first year production then face endless problems?

There is no way in hell im getting a 1st production M4 regardless of how it looks like. I might consider it in 2-3 yrs if I ever get board of my M3 which is very unlikely. So my plan is probably to keep my M3 and add the M4 to the garage. I think most 2012-2013 M3 owners think the same. The problem really is not the M4 it's the love for the LEGENDARY S65 E92 M3 and that that it's really hard to give this LEGENDARY car up.

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by swamp2

I posted a poll to try to capture some of the negativity (mine included!). However, those complaining don't seem to want to vote...

Personally I own on 08 E92 M3 but really that has little to do with not liking the car much thus far. I don't really think it is like you describe above either. What really matters is power to weight and we don't know that yet nor even either component of it. That may give us a very nice surprise and would for sure turn much of the negativity toward the positive direction. However, thus far, just the busy design and a very likely a turbo I6 are plenty enough not to like at this point.

Many long term ///M fans are sort of holding our breath and I think many of us really want to like the car.

Mr. Swamp, I respect your opinion(s). They're always well thought out and precise. But your point is the same one I was trying to make. What I see are late edition ('12-'13) E92 M3 guys trying to justify their decision by suggesting that the new M4 somehow falls short of what their car provides. All by speculation, since the performance and engine stats haven't even been released yet. On Wall Street, it's called "talking your book." And I think it reinforces them when another late model M3 guy agrees.

I've had 3 M's, an E39 M5, an E46, and now an E92. So I consider myself a long term M fan as well. In between, I even went the 997 route for a couple of years that seemed like an eternity. I'm just not a big fan of hypocrisy, is all.

Now, that being said, when are you going to sneak into the Nurburgring, record your own sound files, and let us know what the redline within 10 RPM is going to be on these?

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

Advice should maybe be "don't be introspective" to the point that your biases of your own decision making are applied to those who own the vehicle for reasons completely different from what you think. Actually I know so many 2011-2013 M3 owners bought the cars then not because of impatience, but because they knew what was coming around the corner (larger cars and FI turbocharged engines) and intend on keeping their E9x Ms for a very long time. Also, is a bias that leasing a car becomes a huge part of into the calculus (while many cars are leased, many are not). Finally, you have to look at the existing natural progression of vehicle purchases (a high % of porsche drivers come from M3s), which is likely to continue, probably accelerate as they offer the last somewhat affordable german sports-cars that are N/A.

OK, so what IS the % of Porsche owners who came from M3's? Or is that what you feel? And when you say that Porsche is the last affordable NA sportscar, do you mean the Cayman? Because unless you buy a 991 that's a few years old, you're talking lots more money for a 991. Speaking of which, the 991 is longer and wider than the 997 too, so does that disqualify it? But you're right. I assumed that at least half of the E92 M3's were leased, so it was subjective lacking actual statistics, just like your high % of Porsche owners coming from M3's. So, sorry for that bias.

[zarehs27]

I love the car!!...love it....have never considered owning an e92 M3 (very difficult to stretch the budget) but the M4 is worth it.
Even though the design is a little busy, I think it matches very well the sport intention and the car's width and proportions.
Also if it was more subtle, a lot of you, would have said that it looked too much like a regular 4series with M sport.
I don't understand why lots of people here are b..ing about the colour, its just for the prototype and even if they do propose the colour, you can always get another one (i'm pretty sure there will be more colours than just one).
And enough of unfunded speculation about the engine!!..it's an M and i'm sure the engineers would do something worthy of the brand and better than the competition, be it a 6 cylinder with turbos or any other choice.
I've been following for long enough to remember how much people were pissed when M shifted from 6 to 8 cylinders...So calm yourselves, move on with the technology and have faith in M power!!!

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by BMWFB02

And make the same mistake I made with getting an F30 first year production then face endless problems?

There is no way in hell im getting a 1st production M4 regardless of how it looks like. I might consider it in 2-3 yrs if I ever get board of my M3 which is very unlikely. So my plan is probably to keep my M3 and add the M4 to the garage. I think most 2012-2013 M3 owners think the same. The problem really is not the M4 it's the love for the LEGENDARY S65 E92 M3 and that that it's really hard to give this LEGENDARY car up.

In other words, it's LEGENDARY! Maybe I should hang onto mine, and in 20 years sell the S65 and the car separately, because they're both LEGENDARY! I agree with your reservations about buying a first year model. I just figure that BMW will pay for the quirks, not me. I've had my A/C compressor crap out twice, and my ECU lost it's mind in this one, and they made it feel better, so I'm going to take the plunge.

[Randy M]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

In other words, it's LEGENDARY! Maybe I should hang onto mine, and in 20 years sell the S65 and the car separately, because they're both LEGENDARY! I agree with your reservations about buying a first year model. I just figure that BMW will pay for the quirks, not me. I've had my A/C compressor crap out twice, and my ECU lost it's mind in this one, and they made it feel better, so I'm going to take the plunge.

Included service is a huge plus. Annual service on my GT3 was $882.

[FogCityM3]

actually there was a statistic someone shared on there the other day, saying that 70% of gt3 owners owned a prior M3 (any generation) and according to this poster this was a porsche statistic...that's waht I was referring to, not all porsches. I would not be surprised as anecdotally I know several that have made the switch to porsches and the GT3 in particular. Think it changes a bit once you get some M car owners into the 40s and 50s in peak earning years (and porsches are skewed to an older demo).

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

OK, so what IS the % of Porsche owners who came from M3's? Or is that what you feel? And when you say that Porsche is the last affordable NA sportscar, do you mean the Cayman? Because unless you buy a 991 that's a few years old, you're talking lots more money for a 991. Speaking of which, the 991 is longer and wider than the 997 too, so does that disqualify it? But you're right. I assumed that at least half of the E92 M3's were leased, so it was subjective lacking actual statistics, just like your high % of Porsche owners coming from M3's. So, sorry for that bias.

[US///M3]

The F82 looks really good in hangover piss yellow and I hated this color on the E46 M3.

[Brainofjjj]

At Pebble and don't see it on the practice green with all the other concepts. I do see a 918 and the new nsx amongst other amazing stuff

Where ya hiding M4?

[Parrots]

Any shots of the interior.

[Checkcaptain]

Is it just me, or are there others seeing the shaft of a flap system on this exhaust:

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http://f80.bimmerpost.com/goodiesfor...f/DSC02124.jpg
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/goodiesfor...f/DSC02129.jpg

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

actually there was a statistic someone shared on there the other day, saying that 70% of gt3 owners owned a prior M3 (any generation) and according to this poster this was a porsche statistic...that's waht I was referring to, not all porsches. I would not be surprised as anecdotally I know several that have made the switch to porsches and the GT3 in particular. Think it changes a bit once you get some M car owners into the 40s and 50s in peak earning years (and porsches are skewed to an older demo).

A GT3 minimally equipped is going to cost $60k more than an M3/4, so the comparison really isn't valid. And I'm sure that Mercedes Black, Ferrari, even Range Rover have similar stats. It's my personal belief that everyone should own a Porsche once in their life. During the 5% of time that you can let it out, it's brilliant. During the 95% of the time you can't, you can ask yourself why you ever got rid of your M3.

[Russkey]

2 things I don't like about the current M3: high-rev engine and low end torque! I really wish M4 is going to be different! Can't wait to see the specs.

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by Jason

Added an even newer gallery.

From Laguna Seca raceway where the M4 Coupe Concept is on display to the public in the BMW paddock.

How come no interior shots?

[XtoM]

I'd guess from the blacked out windows that it doesn't have the finished interior, maybe just a standard set from the 4 series still.

Really looking forward to seeing the interior though, hope its as good as the exterior.

[FogCityM3]

point being as I said in my initial post is that if you're going to have a "somewhat affordable" german N/A sports car, porsche is the next step and as you've seen here and will see here, a lot of BMW enthusiast customers that love N/A applications will be migrating upwards to P[cars. Not everyone is a fan of FI and I know it was a big decision point for more recent M3 buyers who bought E9xs just for that reason rather than the assumed impatience/locked in a lease thesis.

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

A GT3 minimally equipped is going to cost $60k more than an M3/4, so the comparison really isn't valid. And I'm sure that Mercedes Black, Ferrari, even Range Rover have similar stats. It's my personal belief that everyone should own a Porsche once in their life. During the 5% of time that you can let it out, it's brilliant. During the 95% of the time you can't, you can ask yourself why you ever got rid of your M3.

[E90MCF]

Less than 4 days to hit 1000 comments!

Looks like a winner!

[southlight]

Originally Posted by Brainofjjj

At Pebble and don't see it on the practice green with all the other concepts. I do see a 918 and the new nsx amongst other amazing stuff

Where ya hiding M4?

I'm not positive, but the M4 Concept may still be at Laguna Seca at the BMW Padock.


Best regards,
south

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

Mr. Swamp, I respect your opinion(s). They're always well thought out and precise. But your point is the same one I was trying to make. What I see are late edition ('12-'13) E92 M3 guys trying to justify their decision by suggesting that the new M4 somehow falls short of what their car provides. All by speculation, since the performance and engine stats haven't even been released yet. On Wall Street, it's called "talking your book." And I think it reinforces them when another late model M3 guy agrees.

I've had 3 M's, an E39 M5, an E46, and now an E92. So I consider myself a long term M fan as well. In between, I even went the 997 route for a couple of years that seemed like an eternity. I'm just not a big fan of hypocrisy, is all.

Now, that being said, when are you going to sneak into the Nurburgring, record your own sound files, and let us know what the redline within 10 RPM is going to be on these?

Thanks for the kind words.

We're all in the same boat - making some initial opinions with no key performance related information yet available. That obviously goes both for those that are postive and those negative. I could be wrong but most of the negativity thus far seems to be related to known factors such as aesthetics or FI (and in some cases trivial things like the concept color...). I know I am and suspect most are open minded enough to adjust our opinion as more performance related information comes out.

This happens with every release especially when the passions run high. As negative as many of my postd are I'm still a big M fan and have plenty of optimism left.

Cheers.