CS vs GTS coding

[mindspin311]

With the CS released and more experience gained, has there been a determination on which modules are better to code to ZCP (or base) car? I know GTS DCT was a big thing, but is the CS DCT better? Curious to know what the preferred combo is so I can get my car updated.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by mindspin311

With the CS released and more experience gained, has there been a determination on which modules are better to code to ZCP (or base) car? I know GTS DCT was a big thing, but is the CS DTC better? Curious to know what the preferred combo is so I can get my car updated.

On thing is for sure, the CS EDC coding is better than the GTS one

[SOLIDM4]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

On thing is for sure, the CS EDC coding is better than the GTS one

Well, In which way elaborate your feelings .......

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SOLIDM4

Well, In which way elaborate your feelings .......

[SOLIDM4]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

0h wow great advised, you are the best, very intelligent idea., AMAZING

[MrSmartyPants]

Originally Posted by SOLIDM4

0h wow great advised, you are the best, very intelligent idea., AMAZING

It's a joke....GTS has normal, manually adjustable dampers, ...no EDC. Thus the CS EDC can only be better.

[domino_z]

If you buy the Thor app you can try both for yourself

[Dtwok335]

Does anyone know the Typekey of a CS ?

[Justin.AutoTalent]

The GTS doesn't have a EDC button, so probably the CS

GTS has the 3 way clubsport from KW w

[domino_z]

I've always been more inclined to use the cs codings for steering, diff, mdm since the hardware is essentially the same as a zcp - having already done this on my zcp it does make a difference, car just feels smoother overall when putting down power

The trans software is something in going to try back to back as I can easily do it on my phone with the Thor app, but I'd imagine cs is better as it's newer coding than gts

I'm on the cs trans software atm and it's gotten rid of the jerking when downshifting coming to a stop. It's still there randomly in manual mode but non existent in auto

[CanAutM3]

I remember reading in Auto Motor und Sport that BMW also made good improvments to the ABS calibration on the CS to better take advantage of the extra grip of the PSC2. They found the CS to stop on a significantly shorter distance than the GTS: 128.9m for the CS vs 137.7m for the GTS from 200km/h to zero.

[mindspin311]

Originally Posted by domino_z

I've always been more inclined to use the cs codings for steering, diff, mdm since the hardware is essentially the same as a zcp - having already done this on my zcp it does make a difference, car just feels smoother overall when putting down power

The trans software is something in going to try back to back as I can easily do it on my phone with the Thor app, but I'd imagine cs is better as it's newer coding than gts

I'm on the cs trans software atm and it's gotten rid of the jerking when downshifting coming to a stop. It's still there randomly in manual mode but non existent in auto

That's a very good point. Now who can I get to do all that for me?

[Dtwok335]

I'll try to flash mine with the CS this Weekend. But with Esys not with Thor app.

[dinonz]

Originally Posted by domino_z

I've always been more inclined to use the cs codings for steering, diff, mdm since the hardware is essentially the same as a zcp - having already done this on my zcp it does make a difference, car just feels smoother overall when putting down power

The trans software is something in going to try back to back as I can easily do it on my phone with the Thor app, but I'd imagine cs is better as it's newer coding than gts

I'm on the cs trans software atm and it's gotten rid of the jerking when downshifting coming to a stop. It's still there randomly in manual mode but non existent in auto

I looked at Thor but it seems aimed at DCT vehicles only - I have a 6MT.

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by dinonz

I looked at Thor but it seems aimed at DCT vehicles only - I have a 6MT.

Why do you say that? They have a cheaper coding package that doesn't include the transmission flash. I just ordered their adapter to try it and to compare CS vs GTS.

[dinonz]

Originally Posted by Remonster

Why do you say that? They have a cheaper coding package that doesn't include the transmission flash. I just ordered their adapter to try it and to compare CS vs GTS.

I'll have to have another look - did find some of their wording strange.

And how are the results? Is the change in steering and the diff worth it?

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by dinonz

I'll have to have another look - did find some of their wording strange.

And how are the results? Is the change in steering and the diff worth it?

I haven't tried the app yet, my dongle is still on its way (damn USPS takes FOREVER), but I can answer your question since my car was already remotely coded - I got THOR to experiment with the stock / CS / GTS codings a little more and see what differences I feel.

The steering and diff coding are both well worth it in my opinion. I currently have both of those modules coded to GTS.

Compared to the standard ZCP coding, the steering feels more natural with a lot less of a dead zone right off center. Sport and Sport+ felt unnecessarily firm like the steering wheel was just resisting turning for no reason especially at low speeds so I would always use Comfort steering mode. After the coding, I use Sport steering at all times. It feels just right to me.

The differential coding is less immediately obvious but I feel like I can more easily power out of higher speed turns and feel the traction available whereas the ZCP rear diff programming was quicker to over power the rear tires and/or trigger traction control. My impression is that ZCP is set up to be more of a hooligan, more willing to kick the tail out, while the GTS programming is a little more serious, more willing to search for traction. I get the impression that lockup is increased a little more gradually vs the ZCP programming which would explain what I'm feeling. It's a subtle difference but one I really like. When I want to slide the car, it still locks up and gets nice and sideways but I just feel like I have an easier time *not* sliding when I don't want to.

[Dtwok335]

In my opinion Thor is much too expensive.
I'd do it for the half to everybody here.
Thats crazy to want that amount of money for a flash of data that was not written by their own.

[A47]

Originally Posted by Remonster

I haven't tried the app yet, my dongle is still on its way (damn USPS takes FOREVER), but I can answer your question since my car was already remotely coded - I got THOR to experiment with the stock / CS / GTS codings a little more and see what differences I feel.

The steering and diff coding are both well worth it in my opinion. I currently have both of those modules coded to GTS.

Compared to the standard ZCP coding, the steering feels more natural with a lot less of a dead zone right off center. Sport and Sport+ felt unnecessarily firm like the steering wheel was just resisting turning for no reason especially at low speeds so I would always use Comfort steering mode. After the coding, I use Sport steering at all times. It feels just right to me.

The differential coding is less immediately obvious but I feel like I can more easily power out of higher speed turns and feel the traction available whereas the ZCP rear diff programming was quicker to over power the rear tires and/or trigger traction control. My impression is that ZCP is set up to be more of a hooligan, more willing to kick the tail out, while the GTS programming is a little more serious, more willing to search for traction. I get the impression that lockup is increased a little more gradually vs the ZCP programming which would explain what I'm feeling. It's a subtle difference but one I really like. When I want to slide the car, it still locks up and gets nice and sideways but I just feel like I have an easier time *not* sliding when I don't want to.

Hi,any update yet?Thanks.

[Dtwok335]

I've done the CS coding now. I will tell you about diffrences to the GTS if I notice.

[Zero_Cool]

Originally Posted by Dtwok335

I've done the CS coding now. I will tell you about diffrences to the GTS if I notice.

What are you using to code? I live near Kusel 66871, if you’re not too far from me maybe we could meet up. I have an 18 ZCP and wouldn’t mind CS coding 😈

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by A47

Hi,any update yet?Thanks.

The app works great, just plan for at least 15 minutes for it to flash all of the modules which was surprising to me. They said an update is coming soon to allow you to only flash individual modules so you don't have to do all of them together.

I flashed back to stock to gather my impressions on how it differed from the coding I had previously done but have been too busy to flash anything else in yet.