Vargas B58 Coil Conversion

NORAGRETS · 12-13-2023, 07:40 AM

Just installed the B58 coils last night with the VTT kit and Turner MS coils...

The fitment was NOT what I had hoped for. S55 coils fit really nicely, and the VTT boots provided did not make a seal like the S55 coil packs (that nice "pop" sound when you pull them out, so satisfying).

Working under the assumption that all B58 coils are the same physically, Im ruling the actual coil out as the problem. I believe the boots are not long enough, nor do they create a seal like OEM S55 coils.

I was almost 100% sure the car wouldn't even start, but it did...albeit its running rough. Im reaching out to my tuner to see if a little adjustment will fix everything (pls let that just be it).

Anyone else running B58 coils and having a similar experience? Did it get fixed? How? Or, what did i do wrong lol

b_w. · 12-13-2023, 08:24 AM

I have the nxs kit with eldor coils sitting on the shelf. Will post once installed.

Dsmdrew · 12-13-2023, 09:27 AM

I also have the nxs kit but waiting on more info. Bm3 told me tune was not needed and dwell time isn't that far off but I decided to hold off for a while.

NORAGRETS · 12-13-2023, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dsmdrew

I also have the nxs kit but waiting on more info. Bm3 told me tune was not needed and dwell time isn't that far off but I decided to hold off for a while.

It sucks ass that so much has to come off the car to get to the coils 😭 not trying to swap back again today woof

DeezBluBallz · 12-13-2023, 10:13 AM

nxs kit with S58 Dinan coils on mine, no issues. Think I did this last summer.

It is a pain taking all that back apart. Have you reached out to VTT?

NORAGRETS · 12-13-2023, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezBluBallz

nxs kit with S58 Dinan coils on mine, no issues. Think I did this last summer.

It is a pain taking all that back apart. Have you reached out to VTT?

They just opened. 9am on the west coast calling them now

theweebabySeamus · 12-13-2023, 11:24 AM

Doesn't your tune have to be adjusted if you want to run B58's? I know BM3 just added that as a checkbox recently.

NORAGRETS · 12-13-2023, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by theweebabySeamus

Doesn't your tune have to be adjusted if you want to run B58's? I know BM3 just added that as a checkbox recently.

Not necessarily, but it definitely will help. Have F80 Paul working on it rn.

Regardless the installation wasn’t “clean” so to speak. The boots just wouldn’t sit right, seemed like they were maybe a 1/2 cm too short. Also the s55 boots really fit nicely and make a good seal, that little pop when they come off. These boots just slid in and out

Dsmdrew · 12-13-2023, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by theweebabySeamus

Doesn't your tune have to be adjusted if you want to run B58's? I know BM3 just added that as a checkbox recently.

They did? So can I just go in and re-upload my tune and check the box? Will this change dwell time ?

OCSPEED · 12-14-2023, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NORAGRETS

Just installed the B58 coils last night with the VTT kit and Turner MS coils...

The fitment was NOT what I had hoped for. S55 coils fit really nicely, and the VTT boots provided did not make a seal like the S55 coil packs (that nice "pop" sound when you pull them out, so satisfying).

Working under the assumption that all B58 coils are the same physically, Im ruling the actual coil out as the problem. I believe the boots are not long enough, nor do they create a seal like OEM S55 coils.

I was almost 100% sure the car wouldn't even start, but it did...albeit its running rough. Im reaching out to my tuner to see if a little adjustment will fix everything (pls let that just be it).

Anyone else running B58 coils and having a similar experience? Did it get fixed? How? Or, what did i do wrong lol

I installed mine tonight along with new spark plugs. I felt the same way that the coil wasn’t making full contact with the plugs. Put things mostly back together and did a test start…unfortunately it was running rough and threw a bunch of misfires. Re-checked everything and it seemed fine. I decided to throw my S55 Eldor coils back in and it started up no problem. Nexsys kit

NORAGRETS · 12-14-2023, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OCSPEED

I installed mine tonight along with new spark plugs. I felt the same way that the coil wasn’t making full contact with the plugs. Put things mostly back together and did a test start…unfortunately it was running rough and threw a bunch of misfires. Re-checked everything and it seemed fine. I decided to throw my S55 Eldor coils back in and it started up no problem. Nexsys kit

Really glad I’m not the only one. Thank you.

theweebabySeamus · 12-14-2023, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dsmdrew

They did? So can I just go in and re-upload my tune and check the box? Will this change dwell time ?

I don't know the details, just that I saw it as the update notes on the last bm3 update.

NORAGRETS · 12-14-2023, 12:34 PM

Since there’s literally no information about this coil swap anywhere, do you need to change the spark plugs to “b58 sparks” on the s55? To my understanding, the answer is no…but idk

Dsmdrew · 12-15-2023, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NORAGRETS

Since there’s literally no information about this coil swap anywhere, do you need to change the spark plugs to “b58 sparks” on the s55? To my understanding, the answer is no…but idk

That's a good question. I starting to think that this mod really isn't worth it

NORAGRETS · 12-15-2023, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dsmdrew

That's a good question. I starting to think that this mod really isn't worth it

Well I did install new sparks, the 94201 B58 ones gapped to 0.020 and look at my logs…

https://bootmod3.net/log?id=657ca76f6661b02397c81d08

NORAGRETS · 12-15-2023, 02:03 PM

Returning this shit. There’s no support for it and it sucks

NORAGRETS · 12-15-2023, 02:45 PM

Anyone that has done this: DO YOU NEED TO TUNE FOR THE COILS AND SPARKS?

I’ve read multiple different posts of people saying yes, and others saying no. I would think YES, but again, can’t find support for this literally anywhere.

Even worse, Vargas customer service is absolutely shit and they either don’t reply, or when they do they’re all high and mighty about it.

ck_M3 · 12-16-2023, 02:30 AM

Damn, thanks for posting your attempt. Definitely not going down this route.

b_w. · 12-16-2023, 10:03 AM

Did you try the s55 spark plugs? I am going to install my nxs kit with eldor coils and 97506 ngks this weekend. Won't be starting it for a while though.

OCSPEED · 12-16-2023, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by b_w.

Did you try the s55 spark plugs? I am going to install my nxs kit with eldor coils and 97506 ngks this weekend. Won't be starting it for a while though.

I tried with Flex F8S plugs since I run E85. Car was NOT happy and barely ran.

NORAGRETS · 12-16-2023, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by b_w.

Did you try the s55 spark plugs? I am going to install my nxs kit with eldor coils and 97506 ngks this weekend. Won't be starting it for a while though.

I tried it w both B58 and S55 plugs

NORAGRETS · 12-16-2023, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezBluBallz

nxs kit with S58 Dinan coils on mine, no issues. Think I did this last summer.

It is a pain taking all that back apart. Have you reached out to VTT?

S58? You mean B58?

12-13-2023, 07:40 AM	#1
NORAGRETS Colonel 444 Rep 2,049 Posts Drives: 2017 F80 M3 ZCP BSM 2012 E82 1 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Boston, MA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2017 BMW M3 ZCP LCI [0.00]	Vargas B58 Coil Conversion Just installed the B58 coils last night with the VTT kit and Turner MS coils... The fitment was NOT what I had hoped for. S55 coils fit really nicely, and the VTT boots provided did not make a seal like the S55 coil packs (that nice "pop" sound when you pull them out, so satisfying). Working under the assumption that all B58 coils are the same physically, Im ruling the actual coil out as the problem. I believe the boots are not long enough, nor do they create a seal like OEM S55 coils. I was almost 100% sure the car wouldn't even start, but it did...albeit its running rough. Im reaching out to my tuner to see if a little adjustment will fix everything (pls let that just be it). Anyone else running B58 coils and having a similar experience? Did it get fixed? How? Or, what did i do wrong lol __________________ 2017 F80 ZCP BSM - Klein Innovation. ActiveAutowerkes. AR Design. BootMod3 Paul Johnson. EvRw. Project Gamma. RW Carbon. UCP. UUC. Hawk. Dinan. NGK. Macht Schnell. TMS. VR. aFe. RIP - E82 135i - 7/7/2021
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Dsmdrew Private 24 Rep 66 Posts Drives: Go5 Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Wa iTrader: (0)	I also have the nxs kit but waiting on more info. Bm3 told me tune was not needed and dwell time isn't that far off but I decided to hold off for a while.
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DeezBluBallz Second Lieutenant 162 Rep 264 Posts Drives: Audi RS5, BMW M3 Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Omaha, NE iTrader: (0)	nxs kit with S58 Dinan coils on mine, no issues. Think I did this last summer. It is a pain taking all that back apart. Have you reached out to VTT?
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theweebabySeamus Captain 376 Rep 902 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (1)	Doesn't your tune have to be adjusted if you want to run B58's? I know BM3 just added that as a checkbox recently.
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NORAGRETS Colonel 444 Rep 2,049 Posts Drives: 2017 F80 M3 ZCP BSM 2012 E82 1 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Boston, MA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2017 BMW M3 ZCP LCI [0.00]	Since there’s literally no information about this coil swap anywhere, do you need to change the spark plugs to “b58 sparks” on the s55? To my understanding, the answer is no…but idk __________________ 2017 F80 ZCP BSM - Klein Innovation. ActiveAutowerkes. AR Design. BootMod3 Paul Johnson. EvRw. Project Gamma. RW Carbon. UCP. UUC. Hawk. Dinan. NGK. Macht Schnell. TMS. VR. aFe. RIP - E82 135i - 7/7/2021
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NORAGRETS Colonel 444 Rep 2,049 Posts Drives: 2017 F80 M3 ZCP BSM 2012 E82 1 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Boston, MA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2017 BMW M3 ZCP LCI [0.00]	Returning this shit. There’s no support for it and it sucks __________________ 2017 F80 ZCP BSM - Klein Innovation. ActiveAutowerkes. AR Design. BootMod3 Paul Johnson. EvRw. Project Gamma. RW Carbon. UCP. UUC. Hawk. Dinan. NGK. Macht Schnell. TMS. VR. aFe. RIP - E82 135i - 7/7/2021
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NORAGRETS Colonel 444 Rep 2,049 Posts Drives: 2017 F80 M3 ZCP BSM 2012 E82 1 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Boston, MA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2017 BMW M3 ZCP LCI [0.00]	Anyone that has done this: DO YOU NEED TO TUNE FOR THE COILS AND SPARKS? I’ve read multiple different posts of people saying yes, and others saying no. I would think YES, but again, can’t find support for this literally anywhere. Even worse, Vargas customer service is absolutely shit and they either don’t reply, or when they do they’re all high and mighty about it. __________________ 2017 F80 ZCP BSM - Klein Innovation. ActiveAutowerkes. AR Design. BootMod3 Paul Johnson. EvRw. Project Gamma. RW Carbon. UCP. UUC. Hawk. Dinan. NGK. Macht Schnell. TMS. VR. aFe. RIP - E82 135i - 7/7/2021
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b_w. Lieutenant 399 Rep 530 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Alberta iTrader: (0)	Did you try the s55 spark plugs? I am going to install my nxs kit with eldor coils and 97506 ngks this weekend. Won't be starting it for a while though.
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