M4 vs M3 e92 (tune) [video]

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by BOOstJunkee

113mph has been done and so has 114. Just like you just said the 113mph is far from what we see everyday, the same goes for 110mph in the 1M. Everyone isn't duplicating that figure. Just do a simple search and you will see a lot of 107s and 108. The M3 puts up higher trap speeds overall and that is why it will pull the 1M on the highway. A 1M and E92 M3 driven on the same day, same conditions, same driver, will not have the same 1/4 trap. The E92 M3 will be faster.

There's plenty of 110mph traps for the 1M, just do a google search! As for the E9x, you're probably talking about a DCT at 113-114 cause in the last 3 years I have'nt seen anyone doing more then 111mph like I did with a manual, in fact, I have'nt seen a stock DCT doing 114 either!

And same day, same conditions, the chances are that the 1M will trap very close to the E9x since the S65 is very tempermental, unlike the force inducted 1M!

And honestly, what I see on the video of the M4 vs FBO DCT E9x is very remindfull of what happened between me and the 1M when I was stock!

But let's agree to disagree I guess!

[BOOstJunkee]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

There's plenty of 110mph traps for the 1M, just do a google search! As for the E9x, you're probably talking about a DCT at 113-114 cause in the last 3 years I have'nt seen anyone doing more then 111mph like I did with a manual, in fact, I have'nt seen a stock DCT doing 114 either!

And same day, same conditions, the chances are that the 1M will trap very close to the E9x since the S65 is very tempermental, unlike the force inducted 1M!

And honestly, what I see on the video of the M4 vs FBO DCT E9x is very remindfull of what happened between me and the 1M when I was stock!

But let's agree to disagree I guess!

The topic kind of changed from the original point I made. It wasn't about 6mt or dct. The point is, a E92 M3 is faster than a 1M on the highway partly due to its higher trap speed in the quarter mile. Sure, the 1M may have trapped 110mph, but you're comparing the highest trap to not the highest E92 M3 trap. Point blank, the E92 traps higher and runs faster times in the quarter. But no sweat, agree to disagree.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by BOOstJunkee

The topic kind of changed from the original point I made. It wasn't about 6mt or dct. The point is, a E92 M3 is faster than a 1M on the highway partly due to its higher trap speed in the quarter mile. Sure, the 1M may have trapped 110mph, but you're comparing the highest trap to not the highest E92 M3 trap. Point blank, the E92 traps higher and runs faster times in the quarter. But no sweat, agree to disagree.

What I'm comparing is the fastest traps I've seen from a 1M and a manual M3 because, that's what my exemple was about, they pretty much trap the same, but the V8 is much faster on the highway!

No doupt a DCT will be faster then a 1M on the highway, but as opposed to the manual it will be faster in the first few gears also, thus why a DCT E9x trap faster then both the manual E9x and 1M!

[Karmic Man]

The M4 got pulled hard towards the top end by a tuned E92 M3

Driver error in a straight line? Apart from putting the foot onto the accelerator and keeping the car in a straight line, I am not sure what else the driver needs to do

I always have the notion that a stock M4 may be able to pull much against a 8000rpm V8 with only a 10hp advantage on a highway unless the M4 has closer to 450hp.

Now it looks like the official figure of 425hp is quite believable.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Not to argue with you either but IMO that's impossible(or very very very unlikely), 113mph with a stock manual E9x is far from what we see everywhere, not like the 110mph from the 1M that's been replicated at more then one place.

As for the aero on the 1M, maybe it's bad, but it's clearly the engine that runs out of breath the real problem. I did a lot of second gear pulls against my friend on the highway and it was always the same thing, dead even up to end of my third where I start to go kind of easily and then shift in fourth and simply go like it was nothing. The aero would'nt play that big of a role at around ~150-200km/h, again IMO!

Um, go find the car and driver test sheet. It was done, so?

[mrkhanna16]

This video is very inaccurate from my experience as a current e92 2011 DCT ZCP M3 owner.....I have done "airstrip" pulls from 20, 40, 60....I lost every time by a ever increasing margin the faster I went to the f82s limited

I even lost at my cars best power band (2nd gear 40) vs the f82 in 3rd gear the whole time

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Um, go find the car and driver test sheet. It was done, so?

Look , if a stock manual e9x would trap 113-114mph, no one would be surprised that a FBO DCT e9x would give a show to a stock F8x, the 7-speed DCT makes a HUGE difference with a power curve like the S65!

[BOOstJunkee]

Originally Posted by mrkhanna16

This video is very inaccurate from my experience as a current e92 2011 DCT ZCP M3 owner.....I have done "airstrip" pulls from 20, 40, 60....I lost every time by a ever increasing margin the faster I went to the f82s limited

I even lost at my cars best power band (2nd gear 40) vs the f82 in 3rd gear the whole time

Finally, someone with some real world knowledge chimes in. I too have a hard time believing this video. I have witnessed my buddies fbo E92 M3 run a stock M4. And the results were nothing like this video.

[FogCityM3]

BPM Dev Tune FTW! I do a lot of logging of all the ECU data (this is what the ECU calculates with all given environmental parameters the TQ produced, known as Actual Moment). On E30/91 mix, the ECU said I produced a peak of 468 bhp (uncorrected)….had to send the logs to Mike…was Crazy! Best I had on race gas/91 mix (for 93) prior to that was 450 bhp in 40 degree weather.

[mrkhanna16]

Originally Posted by BOOstJunkee

Finally, someone with some real world knowledge chimes in. I too have a hard time believing this video. I have witnessed my buddies fbo E92 M3 run a stock M4. And the results were nothing like this video.

I ran a FBO E92 2013 ZCP as well on the same day and only got pulled on by 1-3 cars depending on the mph....the f82 is a BULLET SPEED TRAIN

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[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by MRSSIIM3

adding to the bs of this video, usually these vids have several camera angles from each car and several runs...unless the m3 was supercharged i dont see how this is possible. ive pulled on countless bolt on M3s in my m4...and according to my vbox data which was on the same road in my FBO m3 versus stock m4, the delta between the m4 and m3 is significant in favor of the m4. so maybe trap speeds or whatever your claiming about top end power etc may be true, this is an apples to apples vbox comparison that proved m4 is faster

We have other stock M4 user Vbox data which shows this is possible too . Specifically the wheel hub dyno / Vbox vendor data which showed a 10.5 sec 60-130 and 117.8 Vbox terminal 1/4 mile speed and our Canadian members 11 sec 60-130 mph . My friends old E92 CP did 10.5sec 60-130 with just Xpipe no tune , so a full bolt on
easily could do this . You're stock numbers are an anomaly not the norm and are equal to the Canadian members tuned numbers . He improved his 11sec to 9.3 sec 60-130 mph tuned which is what you got stock .

[/// M sa]

This is too funny, arguing over 3 armatures racing on a highway. These cars have been tested on the track with people that know wtf they are doing and the glorious V8 got spanked each time.. Enough of this bs, let it go people the old is well... Old and the new is here don't llve in the slow heavy past

[turbo8765]

Originally Posted by mrkhanna16

This video is very inaccurate from my experience as a current e92 2011 DCT ZCP M3 owner.....I have done "airstrip" pulls from 20, 40, 60....I lost every time by a ever increasing margin the faster I went to the f82s limited

I even lost at my cars best power band (2nd gear 40) vs the f82 in 3rd gear the whole time

2nd gear at 40 is not your best power bend. With s65 and a DCT more revs are always better.

1st at 30 or 2nd at 50 is better.

Is your car catless? Makes a big diff on the s65.

Are you at elevation. That will also massively affect the data.

One of the mags tested the 1m and M3 on the same day and IIRC the delta was about 5mph.

[Epoustouflant]

That was pretty close. An FBO E92 is pushing around 480cph, with a DCT this video can make sense versus a stock F80.

Just thinking what a tune will do though, the new M4 is ballistic.

[AlteredBe4st]

1/4 mile run I can def see the E9X with bolt on being hammered by the F8X but this is a highway roll race that put the E9X where it shines (top end power) , the F8X torque advantage is best from a dig and does not pose much of an advantage f at a higher speed, that's where hp kicks in. Can't wait to see more videos of this same type of race instead of 1/4 mile runs. E9X was never a 1/4 mile car again due to lack of torque. Just my 2cents. No matter the outcome props to the F8X as it is indeed a beast

[jackkk]

Yesterday I did some runs vs e92 m3 + Akra Evo + KN filter + carbon hood.
The f80 was just a little bit faster, so I can trust this video.
But I think that there is my fault too. When I did runs first 2 runs I had 100-200 10.2 and 10.3 which is very slow. I changed gears when the HUD showed 2 red rectangles and some times started to blink.
Then I did one run by myself and watche the tahometr. I changed gears on 7500-7600 and I did 9.3 100-200. Then we did one more run and I changed gears at the same point we had the same thing, I had a huge spin on 2 gear and he vent ahead of me, than I got the 3 gear and started to catch and overtake his but just a little bit faster.
So It felt like I had just a few more hp... It was on CUP2 tire at +6, so they didn't work well at this cold temperature and I had a huge spin.
I will post the wideo later on. We did 60-200 runs (because of traffic).

[Epoustouflant]

Originally Posted by jackkk

Yesterday I did some runs vs e92 m3 + Akra Evo + KN filter + carbon hood.
The f80 was just a little bit faster, so I can trust this video.
But I think that there is my fault too. When I did runs first 2 runs I had 100-200 10.2 and 10.3 which is very slow. I changed gears when the HUD showed 2 red rectangles and some times started to blink.
Then I did one run by myself and watche the tahometr. I changed gears on 7500-7600 and I did 9.3 100-200. Then we did one more run and I changed gears at the same point we had the same thing, I had a huge spin on 2 gear and he vent ahead of me, than I got the 3 gear and started to catch and overtake his but just a little bit faster.
So It felt like I had just a few more hp... It was on CUP2 tire at +6, so they didn't work well at this cold temperature and I had a huge spin.
I will post the wideo later on. We did 60-200 runs (because of traffic).

Thanks for the real world input. Seems like the E9X really needs to be FBO with a tune to compete with a stock F8X!

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by jackkk

Yesterday I did some runs vs e92 m3 + Akra Evo + KN filter + carbon hood.
The f80 was just a little bit faster, so I can trust this video.
But I think that there is my fault too. When I did runs first 2 runs I had 100-200 10.2 and 10.3 which is very slow. I changed gears when the HUD showed 2 red rectangles and some times started to blink.
Then I did one run by myself and watche the tahometr. I changed gears on 7500-7600 and I did 9.3 100-200. Then we did one more run and I changed gears at the same point we had the same thing, I had a huge spin on 2 gear and he vent ahead of me, than I got the 3 gear and started to catch and overtake his but just a little bit faster.
So It felt like I had just a few more hp... It was on CUP2 tire at +6, so they didn't work well at this cold temperature and I had a huge spin.
I will post the wideo later on. We did 60-200 runs (because of traffic).

Were you in MDM? Any chance the nancies were kicking in after you spun? I would think to get the best times in this car you'll have to be DSC off and have a lot of practice in this car. Better tires for sure.

With all the other mods listed did the E92 have wheels with upgraded tires? I've never had a problem getting my e92 to hook after upgrading the wheels and tires.

Anyway not trying to be negative towards you or discredit the e92. Just pondering. I'm sure I'll have my problems taming the beast. Been a while since I had torque.

[ss134]

Just watched this video of stock R8 4.2 V8 vs F80 M3 DCT on GT Board. They posted a similar video a couple of years ago with the R8 ( this one was DSG) vs the E92 M3 manual and the result from a 50kph roll to 250kph was about even.

So my uneducated guess is that stock E92 vs F80 will be a similar result to below from a 2nd gear roll.

[ss134]

E92 M3 manual vs R8 v8 DSG;

[jackkk]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Were you in MDM? Any chance the nancies were kicking in after you spun? I would think to get the best times in this car you'll have to be DSC off and have a lot of practice in this car. Better tires for sure.

With all the other mods listed did the E92 have wheels with upgraded tires? I've never had a problem getting my e92 to hook after upgrading the wheels and tires.

Anyway not trying to be negative towards you or discredit the e92. Just pondering. I'm sure I'll have my problems taming the beast. Been a while since I had torque.

MDM S3 (manual) Sport+
Wheels - rays G25
Tires - Michelin Cup2 275/35 rear
Temp. +6 a somewere a little bit wet road. Had a huge wheel spin from the 2 gear 60 km/h till the 3 gear. So I didn't have a jump that I needed to have from +150Nm - it is all gone to the spin.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by ss134

Just watched this video of stock R8 4.2 V8 vs F80 M3 DCT on GT Board. They posted a similar video a couple of years ago with the R8 ( this one was DSG) vs the E92 M3 manual and the result from a 50kph roll to 250kph was about even.

So my uneducated guess is that stock E92 vs F80 will be a similar result to below from a 2nd gear roll.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1039207