F80 pulling to the right

Super Spartan · 10-22-2017, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorfast

Correct me if I am wrong but this sib simply changes the steering programming to counteract the tendency to pull right correct? So if I had the "pull to the right" issue but my alignment was in spec there is really no harm being done, just a slight annoyance? No harm meaning the car will perform and tires will wear as intended because alignment is what actually affects these aspects and not the steering programming. Is my thinking correct?

According to a friend of mine who knows a lot more about cars than I do. If the issue is not rectified, then it will cause extra wear on the edges of the tire because even if the car is driving straight when you are holding the steering wheel, there is some sort of force that you are counteracting to make it go straight which in turn will cause extra and uneven wear on the tires. Correct me if I'm wrong people.

gatorfast · 10-23-2017, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MadZarBMR

Only time will tell. Bottom line is this "fix" corrects some "unknown" or "unreported" force that makes our cars pull right. In my case, I did all that I could to get my alignment not only within spec, but dead perfect and car continued to pull. At its worst, mine would pull to the right even when alignment spec was set to force the car to pull left. On left hand road crown, the car would still pull right.

The fact is the EPS update corrected it so something within the EPS must have been way out of whack on some of our cars. We will need to depend on those that daily their cars and have this fix to see if tire wear will be an issue. My guess is it will not be since, as you pointed out, the alignment geometry is what determine this and for me, I no longer feel the need to force the steering in one direction or another. Smooth both left and right whereas before, I could definitely say I had to apply constant left input and turning right seemed much easier than turning left.

Yea good points. My car pulls to the right as well but I would rather not take it in for an update which will erase some of the coding I have if it only corrects the sensation of the car wanting to go right and does not impact performance and/or tire wear.

MadZarBMR · 11-10-2017, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tonywham

please report back if you do. Thanks

Finally had some time to do some coding on my car and tested switching back to default EPS value for my F80.

Sure enough, the slop at center of wheel came back and the car once again pulled/drifted right on a known flat stretch of road. Flipped it back to F80_rep and all is good again. Didn't have time to test GTS coding, but will do that next time I have some free time to test.

tonywham · 11-10-2017, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MadZarBMR

Finally had some time to do some coding on my car and tested switching back to default EPS value for my F80.

Sure enough, the slop at center of wheel came back and the car once again pulled/drifted right on a known flat stretch of road. Flipped it back to F80_rep and all is good again. Didn't have time to test GTS coding, but will do that next time I have some free time to test.

Thanks for reporting back. Wait to hear the result of GTS coding. So if the GTS EPS works fine, and the car goes straight, can we conclude that the default EPS software on our cars is defective? Hard to believe though...

F80Dreamer · 11-06-2018, 12:42 PM

I was growing pretty frustrated with my new to me F82 pulling to the right. Got 3 alignments done at different reputable shops but nothing helped. Was thinking it was going to need some suspension parts like others have done but my local BMW dealership did a software update to the steering and the car tracks perfectly now. I was a bit skeptical when my SA said he thought a software update would help, but I stand corrected. Car drives so much better now as I am not constantly fighting the right pull.

Remonster · 11-06-2018, 06:17 PM

When you guys are having these cars aligned, is the alignment shop resetting the steering angle sensor or initializing EPS? If not, that will often cause these cars to pull badly. The electronic power steering in this car will try to help you drive straight by applying pressure to center itself, if your alignment was off and you have the car aligned, the steering wheel centering will change so now the EPS is pushing you away from what is actually centered because it doesn't know any better.

I have played around with aligning my own F80 M3 and previous F30 340i a bunch of times (perks of working at a shop with an alignment rack and ISTA software) and the car will pull hard to one side (not always to the right, it depends which way your steering wheel was off before the alignment) until you go through the procedure in ISTA or another diagnostic computer (we've had good results using Durametric as well) to center not only the steering angle sensor which more basic tools can do but to run through basic set up of the Electronic Power Steering system.

I can't say too much about this but I was involved with helping a friend gather information during his case against BMW, he tried to sue them for his M4 constantly pulling like this and lost the case but it seems to me that even some dealerships are skipping these steps and just doing a mechanical four wheel alignment and returning the car to the customer.

I have tried the F80_rep coding and M4 GTS coding, both of these settings worked great when initially coded but the problem re-appeared after I had to align the car again. Aligning the car mechanically and then running through EPS initial set up seems to be the ticket to always ending up with the car driving straight without the steering wheel feeling like it wants to turn on its own.

sapuro · 11-17-2019, 01:37 AM

I've been reading through many of the posts about the eps repair for the pulling to right issue; I need some more clarification!

1. Seems like some ppl are experiencing pulling to the right with the GTS eps, including myself, has the gts eps not been "repaired"? I'm on 4.15.12 (Pdz....)

2. Is the f87cs eps M2CS or M3CS or M4CS? I also read somewhere that the M3CS eps = ZCP eps but the M4CS eps is different than ZCP eps. I guess what I'm trying to get at is if the esp different for all 3 models (ZCP vs CS vs GTS)?

3. If f87cs is M2CS eps, does that matter? Can I use that in my F80 M3 ZCP?

4. Does the F87cs eps include the "repair"? I would think so since the M2CS/M3CS came out 2018+? Software should be the latest

Thanks!

AHHHHHH lol

ericsbestshot · 11-17-2019, 08:08 PM

my 20015 m4 pulled to the right when i first claimed ownership. BMW dealer did an alignment check and found nothing wrong. Then they proceeded to do a software update. All is well for the past 20k miles.

MDOC · 11-17-2019, 09:27 PM

My 2015 M4 has the same veering to the right symptom, however when I've mentioned the software update(s) as a possible fix he says there isn't an update available for my MY. Why would he deny that this update exists? Are early 2015s excluded?

Mandi90TT · 11-18-2019, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MDOC

My 2015 M4 has the same veering to the right symptom, however when I've mentioned the software update(s) as a possible fix he says there isn't an update available for my MY. Why would he deny that this update exists? Are early 2015s excluded?

Nope, they are not excluded. My 15 is one of the first off the production line, there was an update forit.

Never had the pulling to the right issue, though.

MDOC · 11-18-2019, 08:24 PM

So if there's an update available but my SA says no what's my recourse?

Mandi90TT · 11-18-2019, 10:19 PM

Go to another dealership.

sapuro · 11-20-2019, 05:59 PM

Just an update, i recently had my car coded to the GTS steering, it started pulling to the right. I then had it coded to the M3cs steering and it's straight again. It was also straight with the regular f80 steering. Some people had the gts steering straight so maybe there's a variation in parts or something in certain batches of cars including my own that cause it to pull right I dunno

Pdz 4.15.12
2018 M3 ZCP

BitchinManWheels · 01-06-2020, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MDOC

My 2015 M4 has the same veering to the right symptom, however when I've mentioned the software update(s) as a possible fix he says there isn't an update available for my MY. Why would he deny that this update exists? Are early 2015s excluded?

I have a '15 and it had a severe pull to right problem. Did full DINAN suspension and multiple alignment AND tire swaps. No go.
Full software upgrade fixed it about 2 years ago. Not GTS or CS, just upgraded to currency F8x. I paid out of pocket and it took all day to get every bit upgraded correctly.
It would still be pulling if I didn't have a guy determined to fix it!

sna66 · 01-06-2020, 07:51 PM

can this only be done by the dealer?

DavidStr · 01-07-2020, 07:08 AM

March 2018 M4.Car runs straight without issues.
Even at 160 miles per hour I can literally hold the wheel with 2 fingers...

deli333 · 01-17-2020, 06:56 AM

2014 m4, I am having this issue for a long time and I was tinking it is normal. so you guys say there is actually a solution for this? software update?

MFNATIK · 01-17-2020, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BitchinManWheels

I have a '15 and it had a severe pull to right problem. Did full DINAN suspension and multiple alignment AND tire swaps. No go.
Full software upgrade fixed it about 2 years ago. Not GTS or CS, just upgraded to currency F8x. I paid out of pocket and it took all day to get every bit upgraded correctly.
It would still be pulling if I didn't have a guy determined to fix it!

Sadly the actual time it takes to update the cars software is like 5 mins haha.

McBobby Jr · 05-25-2020, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MFNATIK

Sadly the actual time it takes to update the cars software is like 5 mins haha.

I'm late to the party but do you actually know how long it takes to install SIB 32 01 17? If it's no longer than 30 min I would gladly wait at the dealer till it's done. Unfortunately, my M4 has been having this issue since last year and they've said that "everything is up to date" but my BMW dealer is not the best dealer by any means.

MFNATIK · 05-25-2020, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by McBobby Jr

I'm late to the party but do you actually know how long it takes to install SIB 32 01 17? If it's no longer than 30 min I would gladly wait at the dealer till it's done. Unfortunately, my M4 has been having this issue since last year and they've said that "everything is up to date" but my BMW dealer is not the best dealer by any means.

It's not how long it takes them to do the work. It's everything else they got going on. I've never been in and out of a dealership service dept in less than 2 hours.

McBobby Jr · 06-06-2020, 09:37 AM

Will be having the dealership check out the car for the third time here soon, and hopefully this time they fix it. If not, will do a GTS EPS flash and see if that changes anything.

McBobby Jr · 06-14-2020, 01:09 AM

Went to do the dealership and they said it's up to date with everything software wis and they did an alignment and it still pulls to the right. I flashed the CS EPS as well as the GTS EPS coding. Steering feel changed minimally but it still pulls. Do you know anybody I can get in contact with like maybe even a third party to help me with this.

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F80Dreamer Major 897 Rep 1,030 Posts Drives: 2016 M4 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Canadian living in Texas iTrader: (0)	I was growing pretty frustrated with my new to me F82 pulling to the right. Got 3 alignments done at different reputable shops but nothing helped. Was thinking it was going to need some suspension parts like others have done but my local BMW dealership did a software update to the steering and the car tracks perfectly now. I was a bit skeptical when my SA said he thought a software update would help, but I stand corrected. Car drives so much better now as I am not constantly fighting the right pull.
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Remonster Lieutenant Colonel 824 Rep 1,584 Posts Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	When you guys are having these cars aligned, is the alignment shop resetting the steering angle sensor or initializing EPS? If not, that will often cause these cars to pull badly. The electronic power steering in this car will try to help you drive straight by applying pressure to center itself, if your alignment was off and you have the car aligned, the steering wheel centering will change so now the EPS is pushing you away from what is actually centered because it doesn't know any better. I have played around with aligning my own F80 M3 and previous F30 340i a bunch of times (perks of working at a shop with an alignment rack and ISTA software) and the car will pull hard to one side (not always to the right, it depends which way your steering wheel was off before the alignment) until you go through the procedure in ISTA or another diagnostic computer (we've had good results using Durametric as well) to center not only the steering angle sensor which more basic tools can do but to run through basic set up of the Electronic Power Steering system. I can't say too much about this but I was involved with helping a friend gather information during his case against BMW, he tried to sue them for his M4 constantly pulling like this and lost the case but it seems to me that even some dealerships are skipping these steps and just doing a mechanical four wheel alignment and returning the car to the customer. I have tried the F80_rep coding and M4 GTS coding, both of these settings worked great when initially coded but the problem re-appeared after I had to align the car again. Aligning the car mechanically and then running through EPS initial set up seems to be the ticket to always ending up with the car driving straight without the steering wheel feeling like it wants to turn on its own.
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sapuro New Member 6 Rep 24 Posts Drives: 2018 M3 Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Las Vegas, NV iTrader: (1)	I've been reading through many of the posts about the eps repair for the pulling to right issue; I need some more clarification! 1. Seems like some ppl are experiencing pulling to the right with the GTS eps, including myself, has the gts eps not been "repaired"? I'm on 4.15.12 (Pdz....) 2. Is the f87cs eps M2CS or M3CS or M4CS? I also read somewhere that the M3CS eps = ZCP eps but the M4CS eps is different than ZCP eps. I guess what I'm trying to get at is if the esp different for all 3 models (ZCP vs CS vs GTS)? 3. If f87cs is M2CS eps, does that matter? Can I use that in my F80 M3 ZCP? 4. Does the F87cs eps include the "repair"? I would think so since the M2CS/M3CS came out 2018+? Software should be the latest Thanks! AHHHHHH lol
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ericsbestshot Private 11 Rep 50 Posts Drives: none Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: San Antonio, TX iTrader: (0)	my 20015 m4 pulled to the right when i first claimed ownership. BMW dealer did an alignment check and found nothing wrong. Then they proceeded to do a software update. All is well for the past 20k miles.
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11-17-2019, 09:27 PM	#427
MDOC MDOC 43 Rep 56 Posts Drives: 2015 M4 Coupe Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Southeast iTrader: (0)	My 2015 M4 has the same veering to the right symptom, however when I've mentioned the software update(s) as a possible fix he says there isn't an update available for my MY. Why would he deny that this update exists? Are early 2015s excluded? __________________ MDOC
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MDOC MDOC 43 Rep 56 Posts Drives: 2015 M4 Coupe Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Southeast iTrader: (0)	So if there's an update available but my SA says no what's my recourse? __________________ MDOC
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Mandi90TT Colonel 2712 Rep 2,371 Posts Drives: BSM 6MT M4 F82 Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Colorado Springs iTrader: (0)	Go to another dealership.
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sapuro New Member 6 Rep 24 Posts Drives: 2018 M3 Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Las Vegas, NV iTrader: (1)	Just an update, i recently had my car coded to the GTS steering, it started pulling to the right. I then had it coded to the M3cs steering and it's straight again. It was also straight with the regular f80 steering. Some people had the gts steering straight so maybe there's a variation in parts or something in certain batches of cars including my own that cause it to pull right I dunno Pdz 4.15.12 2018 M3 ZCP
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sna66 Captain 506 Rep 760 Posts Drives: F83 Join Date: May 2014 Location: South FL iTrader: (0)	can this only be done by the dealer?
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DavidStr Banned 32 Rep 166 Posts Drives: F82 M4 Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	March 2018 M4.Car runs straight without issues. Even at 160 miles per hour I can literally hold the wheel with 2 fingers...
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deli333 Second Lieutenant 145 Rep 230 Posts Drives: M4 Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	2014 m4, I am having this issue for a long time and I was tinking it is normal. so you guys say there is actually a solution for this? software update?
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06-06-2020, 09:37 AM	#439
McBobby Jr Lieutenant 211 Rep 574 Posts Drives: '18 240i xDrive Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Anchorage, AK iTrader: (0)	Will be having the dealership check out the car for the third time here soon, and hopefully this time they fix it. If not, will do a GTS EPS flash and see if that changes anything.
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06-14-2020, 01:09 AM	#440
McBobby Jr Lieutenant 211 Rep 574 Posts Drives: '18 240i xDrive Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Anchorage, AK iTrader: (0)	Went to do the dealership and they said it's up to date with everything software wis and they did an alignment and it still pulls to the right. I flashed the CS EPS as well as the GTS EPS coding. Steering feel changed minimally but it still pulls. Do you know anybody I can get in contact with like maybe even a third party to help me with this.
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