10-14-2015, 04:41 PM | #48 | |
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Plus, I prefer the F80 and BMW got the rear fender flare design perfectly on the F80. Dat ass though!
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Agreed!
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I dont think i could use a car this small as a daily driver, with that said i dont drive my M4 daily either. Kind of looks girly to me. Also i cant wait to hear all the shit talking from guys who buy this car.
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All cars have compromises and, IMO, the M2 is a good car for the price. Could it be better? Sure... but so could the M3/4.
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I think 50k for that is a decent price, when an optioned out M235 is near that. Last edited by Ian1973; 10-14-2015 at 06:32 PM.. |
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10-14-2015, 06:25 PM | #54 |
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It says M2 has grey cast-iron optimized top ring for S55 pistons. LDS was used by BMW first time back in 2011 for N20 engine. It provides both weight savings and better cooling (thinner implanted liner) vs cast iron liner.
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That said, you did make some very valid points with your list. I think at $50k (if that is genuinely going to be the price in the US), the M2 is a good value against the CLA45. Not a perfect comparison, but these are similarly sized and similarly powered luxury cars. I actually think that a 4 cylinder like the CLA (and Focus RS) would have been perfect since it would mean ~100 less lbs or so. They could have built an S20, applying TT to the N20 - sort of an S55 Jr. That'll almost surely come next generation, but then so will a transverse engine layout w/transaxle and AWD. |
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The M2 could have been so much more special... Coming from a 135I 6MT, I always dreamed of a lightweight(~3300lb or less) 2 door coupe with M handling and big power(torque) from the factory, with full warranty.
If the M2 would have had a CF roof(among other CF pieces,) would have had a slightly detuned S55(400bhp/390tq,) Special M seats with a lightweight/barebones interior, lightweight 18"s, and full interior/exterior color choices. It would have been an enthusiasts DREAM! I would have bought that for $65k no doubt, over the F80. However, BMW didn't want to cut into the legendary M3's(also M4's) sales, which is understandable. But dammit, one can only dream of such a unicorn of a car from the factory. I still can't get over the fact that it doesn't even have the M mirrors....
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I don't get the obsession with "M mirrors"
The M5/6 don't have special mirrors. Why do people care other than out of principle? To me, the wide body, fender flares, etc are far more representative of M cars than a mirror design that I'll never really notice anyway. The car is 100mm wider!! That's what matters IMO. Now, I would like to have seen a CF roof but, even that, is no real big deal.
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It's just the fact that the BMW/M designers and engineers didn't care, nor did they pay attention to details. Details matter on special cars.... Too bad the M2 isn't that special.
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Hi new to the f80/2 forums..I just bought a ymb m4 once i saw the specs of the m2 confirmed. I was already hesitant with the n55 modded engine rather than the s55...but when i saw the weight was barely lighter than the m235i didnt see the value/specialness in the car..of course i realize there are many tiny tweaks here and there..but i was hoping it would be a more raw car ...it seems bmw wasn't too agressive with this version and left a lot of space for further improvement (CSL?)
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For me it's slightly weird for a non S motor in a full-blown M. I'll definitely take it for a drive nonetheless, it looks like fun and I'm sure M made it drive and feel like an M car.
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The M3 has gotten faster, more refined, more sophisticated and much much more expensive each generation. The f8x is a straight up Porsche 911/Jaguar F type competitor to the point where BMW changed the coupe's branding to the M4 so that it could move on from the association with the e30/e36 generation cars. Sure, one can still squeeze a stripper M3 under the $70k mark but the vast majority of M3/4s are in the $75-85k range (including sales tax). There's a decent opportunity for a $50-60k car in the M range to be what the earlier M3's used to be. The M2 appears to be BMW's attempt at this.
It uses a modded N55 because the S55 would be too expensive. Its less powerful, has single turbo, a smaller bore (and slightly smaller capacity), an air/air intercooler and a lower redline. It doesn't use anything like the amount of carbon fiber and aluminium as the f8x so it weighs nearly the same as the M4. I'm sure a ~350hp S version of the N20 with all the S55 goodies applied to a smaller 4 cylinder would have saved some serious weight and made more sense but that would have required some R&D spend. In everything, there appears to be a lot of effort put into keeping the cost relatively low. The fact that it still offers 80-90% of the performance for 15-20k less makes it very impressive. The 1M has gained a following but it was produced in extremely limited numbers for a niche. The M2 appears to be a much more serious mainstream effort built to test the sales potential in this segment. I'm sure there will be some small competition with stripper M3 sales but I don't think BMW minds that too much. The M3/4 will continue to move upmarket and the M2 will be the new entry level M car. |
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As for the M2, if it really is $50k and comes with similar standard equipment as M3/M4 that means some will have a low options M2 via euro delivery in the mid $40k range, which is a GREAT deal in my opinion
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