'16 M3 6MT vs '15 Stingray 7MT 50-160 pulls

[jc05e46m3]

Originally Posted by adc

Well it's just been freshly posted on the internet so it must be true. Only facts make it on the net.

Perception is reality.

[adc]

Originally Posted by jc05e46m3

Perception is reality.

And that's another fact.

[S65V8]

wow, stingray and GT3 equal? I wouldn't have expected it.

[turbo8765]

Originally Posted by SROC5

wow, stingray and GT3 equal? I wouldn't have expected it.

The GT3 is a tiny bit lighter with a tiny bit more power. The Stingray has slightly better aero.

The GT3 has MUCH better gearing, but at high speeds the shifts are so infrequent.

[S65V8]

Originally Posted by turbo8765

The GT3 is a tiny bit lighter with a tiny bit more power. The Stingray has slightly better aero.

The GT3 has MUCH better gearing, but at high speeds the shifts are so infrequent.

So probably fair to say our cars with a basic piggyback tune (60 whp+) would edge out a GT3 and a Stingray? (since the stinger and M4 stock were toe to toe...) Just blows me away since I've always held the GT3 on such a pedestal, that a pedestrian BMW M4 could not even be close to it in any way.

[auf Deutsch]

The GT3 is a 125+ trap car that can also hit 130 in 12s. Aren't those M5/6 comp pack numbers? I agree, the F80/2 is pretty much dead even with the C7 but to compare stock (or even BMS stage 1) performance numbers with the GT3 is overreaching.

[S65V8]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

The GT3 is a 125+ trap car that can also hit 130 in 12s. Aren't those M5/6 comp pack numbers? I agree, the F80/2 is pretty much dead even with the C7 but to compare stock (or even BMS stage 1) performance numbers with the GT3 is overreaching.

My thoughts too, if the GT3 traps that high, probably means past 1/4 M4 would be blown away easily. But I guess we're talking rolling speeds, it's a different comparison, right?

[turbo8765]

Originally Posted by auf Deutsch

The GT3 is a 125+ trap car that can also hit 130 in 12s. Aren't those M5/6 comp pack numbers? I agree, the F80/2 is pretty much dead even with the C7 but to compare stock (or even BMS stage 1) performance numbers with the GT3 is overreaching.

119

124

The GT3 is absolutely NOT a 125+ mph car.

It's realistically a 122-123 car. It's performance from a dig is much better than it's performance from a roll due to tip top LC, rear weight bias, large tire:torque ratio, short gearing, and a mega quick PDK.

Also, a stock M4 and a C7 are not dead even.

Have you ever drag raced?

[turbo8765]

This is the fastest number I've seen for the GT3...

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t3-test-review

However, note that the ACTUAL number in this test was 123.2. This also VBOX data as opposed to data from an actual drag strip.

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by turbo8765

This is the fastest number I've seen for the GT3...

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t3-test-review

However, note that the ACTUAL number in this test was 123.2. This also VBOX data as opposed to data from an actual drag strip.

And that was my source for citing 125+ (126 in this test which is adjusted for perfect conditions such as DA?). Regardless, even the 123.2 figure has the M3/4 and C7 beat by a considerable amount.

[krnnerdboy]

Lots of people have a misconception of the gt3. It hasn't gotten its title by having the best times and traps around tracks straight or curvy. It's a tool that's concise that'll teach you to lower track times by being consistent and providing unprecedented feedback with the endurance of a lemans car...well at least that's what the mezger gt3's were....

[turbo8765]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

Lots of people have a misconception of the gt3. It hasn't gotten its title by having the best times and traps around tracks straight or curvy. It's a tool that's concise that'll teach you to lower track times by being consistent and providing unprecedented feedback with the endurance of a lemans car...well at least that's what the mezger gt3's were....

True. If you look at 997 GT3 lap times, they're fast but not record setting. The same is true of the 991 relative to it's modern peers.

The GT3 aces the subjectives ratings.

[fusionchicken]

Yeah I didn't want to possibly bring a war on myself but the results from the OP didn't make sense to me

A while ago there was a JB4 M4 barely keeping up with a stock Stingray IIRC

And I find a Stingray / M3 keeping up with a GT3 to be pretty unlikely based on trap speed data

Edit: perhaps the runs were done at a pretty high elevation where the snails in the M3 helped but still doesn't explain Stingray running with GT3

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by turbo8765

This is the fastest number I've seen for the GT3...

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t3-test-review

However, note that the ACTUAL number in this test was 123.2. This also VBOX data as opposed to data from an actual drag strip.

Yes this. C&D adjusts for conditions so the car is not as good as it looks on paper. With that being said its an amazing car no matter what (I owned one for about 8 months). C&D has my GTS trapping at 127 mph but its just not that fast in the real world. Granted it does kick ass

[turbo8765]

Originally Posted by fusionchicken

but still doesn't explain Stingray running with GT3

C7 3400/460 = 7.3

GT3 3300/475 = 7

C7 Cd = 0.29
GT3 Cd = 0.33

Given the frontal area you could calculate the power delta required to compensate for the drag delta.... it's not insignificant and at high speeds offsets the small p:w delta.

[fusionchicken]

Originally Posted by turbo8765

C7 3400/460 = 7.3

GT3 3300/475 = 7

C7 Cd = 0.29
GT3 Cd = 0.33

Given the frontal area you could calculate the power delta required to compensate for the drag delta.... it's not insignificant and at high speeds offsets the small p:w delta.

Ahh overlooked the coefficient of drag, had no idea the GT3's is that high, thanks!

[imyopusha]

The races were like 50-160+... Nothing close to a dig. That is why the Vette was right with the GT3 and I was with the Vette (both manual). The M3 is FAST :-)

[guarnibl]

Originally Posted by imyopusha

EXACTLY my thoughts. I find BMW owners (more specifically M car owners) more grassroots enthusiasts who race. Maybe it's a geographical perspective being in Germany, but this guy I know who owns a RR Ghost has an elitist attitude that would make an i8 owner feel like a hobo. He put a deposit on a Porsche 918 and literally forgot the model number (918). He just wanted to be the first in the region to own one.

I don't know too many people who actually would buy a Rolls, or a Bentley. The guys I know that have the cash -- most of them either drive Audi SUV's, Tesla, R8... I'm sure LA is different. But I just don't know a lot of people like you're describing.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by krnnerdboy

I'm pretty sure my m3 would wipe the floor with my 997gt3 on a highway run to at least 130mph, and as I've said before, my f80 hits the same speed as my c6z at big willow on the front straight. These cars are no joke and I haven't had the slightest itch to tune it for more power...yet

When my wife's F80 gets back to the states we'll run it against my 997 GT3 and see. The M3 should win though, it makes more hp and whole lot more torque, weighs only 200-250 lbs more. My car will still spank it at the track though.

Originally Posted by SROC5

So probably fair to say our cars with a basic piggyback tune (60 whp+) would edge out a GT3 and a Stingray? (since the stinger and M4 stock were toe to toe...) Just blows me away since I've always held the GT3 on such a pedestal, that a pedestrian BMW M4 could not even be close to it in any way.

For drag racing the M4 might be closer but neither car is really built for drag racing. 991 GT3 will wipe the floor with a M4 on the track. M4 is a better daily driver/street car with lots of available torque at normal street speeds.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by imyopusha

That looks like him! Vettes are pretty damn impressive on the track. I'm sure his Ring runs will be available soon if they aren't already.

How is that a race? Looks like just taking turns leading/following.

[adc]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

When my wife's F80 gets back to the states we'll run it against my 997 GT3 and see. The M3 should win though, it makes more hp and whole lot more torque, weighs only 200-250 lbs more. My car will still spank it at the track though.

I thought the 997 GT3 was around 3100lbs? That would make the M3 400-500lbs heavier depending on options.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by adc

I thought the 997 GT3 was around 3100lbs? That would make the M3 400-500lbs heavier depending on options.

The official Porsche answer is 3075 but I think it's really closer to 3,200 for US cars (mandatory sunroof 07/08 non RS) with some gas in the car. I thought the F80 was around 3,500 now. I think the 3075 number is for non US cars (without sunroof) and little to no fluids in the vehicle.