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You're suggesting rwd only, manual option GTS/CSL?? Or that the lower hp manual "pure" model will kill GTS values? I don't follow. Drive the GTS and M xdrive on track and I'm confident you'd have doubt about rwd on any future go fast models with > GTS hp. They're fitting M xdrive to the upcoming comp for a reason, and it's not snow traction.
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https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-sh...-g80-revealed/ The Pure is the only M3/M4 offered with a manual gearbox because BMW has no stickshift that can handle more than 480lb ft – which higher-grade versions will exceed.
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If BMW is truly going to continue building track oriented models a la the GTS/CSL, why would they add a manual option? Same reason why Porsche doesn't add a manual option to the RS models - it hurts performance.
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Why, because customers shopping these special models are asking for it. Porsche heard the crys and is again now offering a manual in the 991.2 GT3. The M4GTS isn't a RS competitor, it is an attempt at a GT3 competitor. Watch when the M2CS is lauched, it will sell at or above msrp just because of the manual option. Unlike the M4CS/GTS that was eventually sold at large discounts to move inventory collecting dust on lots. Last edited by hellrotm; 08-26-2019 at 11:07 AM.. |
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Actually, that's incorrect. The CSL/GTS models are meant to be BMW's version of Porsche's RS models (I'm not saying they're on the same level performance-wise, which I agree with you, they are more in line with the regular GT3s). The CS models are meant to compete with the GT3s. Please be sure to tag me in whatever post that states that Porsche is going to add a manual option in any RS model and I'll admit that I was wrong.
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I just picked one up that was recently listed. Seems like a nice time to get into one and I missed my '15 M4
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Just read this long thread. Very interesting debate.
If M4GTS is a track car first and foremost then it's value is tied to its utility and fun on the track. What's a good modern track car worth? The M4CS is less rare with less one off custom factory parts but may actually have more upside - why? because It's more usable on the road and that opens it up to appeal to more buyers. Plus it's slightly more handsome. Only time will tell. |
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C7 ZR1 will always be worth more than a Z06. RS more than GT3. 997 GT2 RS more than GT2. C63 black more than C63. GT350R more than GT350. Z/28 more than 1LE. E46 M3 CSL more than base or ZCP version. etc. If you can drive a car present day and it strikes you with uniqueness, standout characteristics, even quirkiness, then that's usually a good sign for long-term value. Especially as performance cars lack the bespoke engines that they once did, the trend is toward homogeneous. (All-wheel drive, automatic, turbo and hybrid.) If evaluated in the present-day track use context, GTS is probably priced about right. Unique and capable enough to be worth a premium over domestic options, but lacking the attributes (engine) to be 991 GT3 value. ~12 currently FS nationwide. They're a steal in the 70s and 80s, IMO.
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I just sold my 6-Speed Lime Rock E92
Was looking at a M4 GTS Or C63 Black Series Love both cars but will the GTS just continue to drop in value? The Black Series balanced out it seems. Also sorry to hijack this thread but what is the reliability like on a GTS M4 |
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C63 black is awesome, but old auto gearbox probably disqualifies for me. GTS has been bulletproof in my case, other than tires. Most or all still under warranty unlike the black. Go for it.
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A factor is "value" I'd love the M4 GTS but not when it might be 40-50k one of these days. I just got my money back on my Lime Rock Edition I just sold this week. 80k I don't mind enjoying the car for 5-10 years but would like something to retain some sorta value. Love both the GTS and 63BS Both have 700-800 world wide |
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There are a couple GTS’ that can be had for 68/69k as they are listed for 71-72. Trade ins for the car are in the low 60s which is quite a good deal and still dealers will make money at 68-69k. Good value at those prices. Certainly should help to push CS prices down further - which have already dropped about as much as the GTS but within a much shorter period of time. |
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My advice is don't get too distracted by the inane negative press and the precipitous price drop. The drop has already happened. You need to drive one. It's special, unlike anything else. Looking more and more like the last of its kind in many ways. Congrats on the Lime Rock. Believe the GTS is a similar sort of value at this point. Especially over the long-term. I have 2 factory track cars and while the value question for me is more entertaining than meaningful, I'm pretty sure both will be appreciating. Every time that I drive either that's my clear impression. Unique and atypical driving experiences now, let alone in 10-20 years. I don't know if the ones listed in the low 70's might have stories. (Frozen seems to be a hard sell?) The most interesting listings of late were with Marshall Goldman. one white, one grey. Both listed in the upper 80's. The white one (that was more expensive) is gone, this one remains https://www.marshallgoldman.com/inve...4s9c53gk578964 In my experience, this group isn't particularly negotiable. Might have just been my experience/salesperson.
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Dealer got one for 63k this month... prices are still coming down.
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i think that even if you bought in the high 60's and had it be worth 50k in 5-10 years, that's still a decent amount of held value. i get that that would be a disappointment vs the Lime Rock, though. but tbh i don't get the Lime Rock either. it's far less additional content than the GTS vs M4. But the market is what it is.
with that being said, every single special edition M3 sold in the states has held value or appreciated. will the GTS - sold in very llmited quantity and arguably the biggest value-add in terms of real content - be the first and only one to drop like a rock? none of us know for sure, but i would say no. maybe the people who paid $132k will never recoup their money, but you guys paying 70-80 probably will. |
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