Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

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Would have predicted exactly the opposite order. Blackwing is incredibly impressive. Nod to GM's Performance Traction Management holding it down for rwd. Still the best system I've experienced on track, and must be calibrated to the nines in that CT5.

Great vid, always perplexed by the supposed Cadillac brand identity issue. Don't understand why drivers would not be inclined to appraise (particularly) a performance product in isolation. Does anyone really care what Caddy was doing in the 1950's? Or, that Audi was making shitboxes in the 80's? Brands evolve. Ask my teenage son his first thought in association with Cadillac, it would be DPi's that annihilate every GT spec racecar on the planet and make ears bleed. Second thought would probably be these Blackwings. Escalade not even on the radar. (Cadillac is sticking around for the new LMDh class as well, competing against Acura, Audi, BMW, and Porsche. So, should be well positioned for future performance models.)

Porsche is making electric on-/off-road wagon things now. Does that impinge on the GT3's credibility? Or, that standard only applies to American brands like Cadillac -- they make the Escalade, so what business do they have making the fastest, most track capable, (apparently) most entertaining ice performance sedan?

AND worth mentioning that the Cadillac is the only one of those three sedans properly torture tested and usable for some track days. M5 CS still looks to have BMW's lite spec carbon ceramics. Good luck with those. They'll start to fry shortly after your Cup 2 sidewalls chunk. On that note, assume little to no camber adjustability on the M5 per usual. Get -2.5 up front with the Blackwings. But hey, what about the DeVille!? And don't forget what they were doing during the Eisenhower administration!

Originally Posted by minn19

Seriously getting the itch to trade in the C63S for one when they become available. I miss the LT4 and an improved version with a car on mag ride sounds awesome. Problem is both my wife and I really like the MB, especially the AMG TT V8. The thing is bonkers plus it would be a downgrade interior wise. Although the interior on the Blackwing doesn’t look that bad at all. They finally fixed the infotainment and is probably way easier to use than MBs.

Would consider the same trade for the family car. The CT5's are so overpriced right now... And while I bet the Blackwing auto is a better trans than in our AMG, think it would drive me nuts to have the auto version knowing there was the manual. Would probably be more critical of it, as irrational as that is. I was tempted on this one https://www.vroom.com/inventory/cadi...D65RPXN0460032

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by swagon

Been meaning to ask about experiences with the Live Cockpit Pro nonsense.

How's the brightness at night, can you dim it down enough or is it annoying? I like to turn the iDrive screen off because I prefer to have a dark cockpit for night driving.

Obviously, I know the instrument cluster looks awful, but is it really that bad to read or navigate through?

I've not used iDrive 7 yet, but I can already imagine it requiring more attention when driving than my CIC and NBT. I'd definitely not use it as a touchscreen, and I wonder if it's possible to delete all the widgets to get the old-style list menu back.

Too bad they've got rid of the base analog instrument cluster early on. Was my favourite of the three. The mid-level Plus cluster is not as nice - the dials look very plain - although looking still better than the Professional version.

Just sucks it's not possible to have the classic instrument cluster with the big 12.3" central screen. The 8.8" Plus screen is large enough, but the thick bezels are an eye sore.

What was wrong with the 6WA F10 5er cluster anyway? Best of both worlds, really.

Sorta considering a G20 and I've booked a test drive for next month. And yet again, am searching for a CPO unicorn that nobody's ever probably ordered.

I didn't have the car long enough to really gauge the display, it seemed fine at night, and I didn't really mess with the dimming settings. I think reduced mode is the best as it pretty much just gives you a digital speedo and gear, but that's also the reason why I didn't notice the low fuel. Its just really ugly, and is very difficult to read near redline. The ZF autobox as well is very smooth in comfort, but in sport/manual its not crisp enough (too smooth) and many times was late on upshifts, especially towards redline.

Due to the oil issues on a brand new car I brought it back to the dealer and of course with service being closed and having my father's car they were nice enough to let me choose a used car on their lot so I went with something a bit more familiar for me. So in the end, my time with the G20 330i was short lived

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Would have predicted exactly the opposite order. Blackwing is incredibly impressive. Nod to GM's Performance Traction Management holding it down for rwd. Still the best system I've experienced on track, and must be calibrated to the nines in that CT5.

Great vid, always perplexed by the supposed Cadillac brand identity issue. Don't understand why drivers would not be inclined to appraise (particularly) a performance product in isolation. Does anyone really care what Caddy was doing in the 1950's? Or, that Audi was making shitboxes in the 80's? Brands evolve. Ask my teenage son his first thought in association with Cadillac, it would be DPi's that annihilate every GT spec racecar on the planet and make ears bleed. Second thought would probably be these Blackwings. Escalade not even on the radar. (Cadillac is sticking around for the new LMDh class as well, competing against Acura, Audi, BMW, and Porsche. So, should be well positioned for future performance models.)

Porsche is making electric on-/off-road wagon things now. Does that impinge on the GT3's credibility? Or, that standard only applies to American brands like Cadillac -- they make the Escalade, so what business do they have making the fastest, most track capable, (apparently) most entertaining ice performance sedan?

AND worth mentioning that the Cadillac is the only one of those three sedans properly torture tested and usable for some track days. M5 CS still looks to have BMW's lite spec carbon ceramics. Good luck with those. They'll start to fry shortly after your Cup 2 sidewalls chunk. On that note, assume little to no camber adjustability on the M5 per usual. Get -2.5 up front with the Blackwings. But hey, what about the DeVille!? And don't forget what they were doing during the Eisenhower administration!

Would consider the same trade for the family car. The CT5's are so overpriced right now... And while I bet the Blackwing auto is a better trans than in our AMG, think it would drive me nuts to have the auto version knowing there was the manual. Would probably be more critical of it, as irrational as that is. I was tempted on this one https://www.vroom.com/inventory/cadi...D65RPXN0460032

That looks really good in black with the carbon wing. There's a dealer that reposts professional shots of the Blackwings and they look really good. Hoping to eventually spend some time with one, but with being sold out it'll probably be some time.

[Thescout13]

Drove down to the port to get some pics of my ship with my car, even though it's not u loading here in SD but up in Benecia.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Would have predicted exactly the opposite order. Blackwing is incredibly impressive. Nod to GM's Performance Traction Management holding it down for rwd. Still the best system I've experienced on track, and must be calibrated to the nines in that CT5.

Great vid, always perplexed by the supposed Cadillac brand identity issue. Don't understand why drivers would not be inclined to appraise (particularly) a performance product in isolation. Does anyone really care what Caddy was doing in the 1950's? Or, that Audi was making shitboxes in the 80's? Brands evolve. Ask my teenage son his first thought in association with Cadillac, it would be DPi's that annihilate every GT spec racecar on the planet and make ears bleed. Second thought would probably be these Blackwings. Escalade not even on the radar. (Cadillac is sticking around for the new LMDh class as well, competing against Acura, Audi, BMW, and Porsche. So, should be well positioned for future performance models.)

Porsche is making electric on-/off-road wagon things now. Does that impinge on the GT3's credibility? Or, that standard only applies to American brands like Cadillac -- they make the Escalade, so what business do they have making the fastest, most track capable, (apparently) most entertaining ice performance sedan?

AND worth mentioning that the Cadillac is the only one of those three sedans properly torture tested and usable for some track days. M5 CS still looks to have BMW's lite spec carbon ceramics. Good luck with those. They'll start to fry shortly after your Cup 2 sidewalls chunk. On that note, assume little to no camber adjustability on the M5 per usual. Get -2.5 up front with the Blackwings. But hey, what about the DeVille!? And don't forget what they were doing during the Eisenhower administration!

Would consider the same trade for the family car. The CT5's are so overpriced right now... And while I bet the Blackwing auto is a better trans than in our AMG, think it would drive me nuts to have the auto version knowing there was the manual. Would probably be more critical of it, as irrational as that is. I was tempted on this one https://www.vroom.com/inventory/cadi...D65RPXN0460032

So would you truly buy the Caddy or is this just fodder for conversation? A lot of people over the last two decades have espoused with adulation the merits of the Caddy, but very few have actually gone out and spent their own money on one (…all having plenty of opportunity to do so). Instead they bought something else. Why?!?!

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Drove down to the port to get some pics of my ship with my car, even though it's not u loading here in SD but up in Benecia.

Wow you actually did that lol.

Damn

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

So would you truly buy the Caddy or is this just fodder for conversation? A lot of people over the last two decades have espoused with adulation the merits of the Caddy, but very few have actually gone out and spent their own money on one (…all having plenty of opportunity to do so). Instead they bought something else. Why?!?!

That's a fair observation and question. 100% I would, but not for nearly 2x MSRP, or for any $ over MSRP, really. To be fair to the Caddy, feel the same about any performance sedan. They can't justify inflated prices.

As far as I'm aware, all of the Blackwings are sold out, so plenty have put their money up. Owned a Z/28 for nearly 4 years. Would have no hesitation on a Blackwing under the right circumstances: MSRP or less, room in the garage for a manual sedan.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

So would you truly buy the Caddy or is this just fodder for conversation? A lot of people over the last two decades have espoused with adulation the merits of the Caddy, but very few have actually gone out and spent their own money on one (…all having plenty of opportunity to do so). Instead they bought something else. Why?!?!

Because at the end of the day, Caddy is still a Caddy. It will never truly escape the brand's own image no matter how good of a car/chassis they have.

I would be extremely surprised if anyone of you end up doing so because I highly doubt it will happen. There aren't a lot of cars I would pay markup for. A Caddy isn't one of them, no matter the engine.

If you critically think about the decision, remove the emotion out of the equation. I really doubt people would end up choosing to do so.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Wow you actually did that lol.

Damn

It was only like a 25 minute drive from where I was

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Because at the end of the day, Caddy is still a Caddy. It will never truly escape the brand's own image no matter how good of a car/chassis they have.

I would be extremely surprised if anyone of you end up doing so because I highly doubt it will happen. There aren't a lot of cars I would pay markup for. A Caddy isn't one of them, no matter the engine.

If you critically think about the decision, remove the emotion out of the equation. I really doubt people would end up choosing to do so.

Agreed. Most didn't opt for it when it was poised against the E46M3 and most wouldn't opt for it against a G8X, performance merits acknowledged.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by Arcades

If you critically think about the decision, remove the emotion out of the equation. I really doubt people would end up choosing to do so.

It's exactly emotionless analysis of use/ownership that attracts me to a Blackwing and landed me in a Z/28 previously. Basically every element of the Blackwing story, its development, torture testing, etc. resonates with me. Emotions are tied up with BMW

With you on not paying markup, no way.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

That's a fair observation and question. 100% I would, but not for nearly 2x MSRP, or for any $ over MSRP, really. To be fair to the Caddy, feel the same about any performance sedan. They can't justify inflated prices.

As far as I'm aware, all of the Blackwings are sold out, so plenty have put their money up. Owned a Z/28 for nearly 4 years. Would have no hesitation on a Blackwing under the right circumstances: MSRP or less, room in the garage for a manual sedan.

Agreed that the car sells, but nowhere near reaching the intended numbers to compete with the Germans. That was the goal in the early 2000's and it just never materialized despite the great motor and the capable chassis.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Agreed that the car sells, but nowhere near reaching the intended numbers to compete with the Germans. That was the goal in the early 2000's and it just never materialized despite the great motor and the capable chassis.

Agreed, and despite that, they continue to meaningfully develop and invest, with the latest iterations being another big jump forward. I appreciate that. As compared to a brand that took their throngs of waiting enthusiasts for granted.

M5 CS pulls at the heart strings, but part of me is happy the Blackwing smoked it. Cadillac deserved to end up ahead.

[Tecnniqe]

I'd take the M5CS over the blackwing if that's what the choice was about right now, but I'd lie if I say I don't envy the US market getting access to what is by all accounts a super capable Caddy with a great chassis.

For now I'm just gonna wake up the neighbors with my cold start

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

I'd take the M5CS over the blackwing if that's what the choice was about right now, but I'd lie if I say I don't envy the US market getting access to what is by all accounts a super capable Caddy with a great chassis.

For now I'm just gonna wake up the neighbors with my cold start

I would too. I appreciate the BW, but I would never spend my own money on it. If it were gifted to me, I would sell it to someone who would actually appreciate the ownership experience.

[swagon]

What's up with the front page posts of every Individual colour BMW that the guy finds in UK classifieds?

[Sedan_Clan]

Stance nation!!!!!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Stance nation!!!!!

Is this legal in the states?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by swagon

What's up with the front page posts of every Individual colour BMW that the guy finds in UK classifieds?

I don't know, he somehow gets almost every one of his posts on the front page, and always posts a carwow video the moment its live, never late.

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Stance nation!!!!!

Its enthusiasts like this that I truly hate.

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Stance nation!!!!!

I wonder how many tires this dude runs through.

The only thing I can think of is those poor tires.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Is this legal in the states?

There's probably some really obscure law in the vehicle code that may articulate that wheels need to be within the confines of the fender, but I would have to do some research to find it. I've never written a citation for it.

[No Boost]

Love these videos, no fancy intro, no chit chat, no BS