How's the traction with bootmod stage 1?

Adcampo · 10-30-2021, 03:09 PM

I have an 18' zcp 6mt. Thinking of doing bootmod CS or stage 1. No other mods.

I understand the hp power and torque gains, but can you get it to the ground? I've read quite a few reviews about losing traction through 3rd gear. Especially on cold tires.

Just courteous how useful the power is for "daily" driving, hole shots, exit ramps etc.

TopJimmy · 10-30-2021, 05:21 PM

For street I love the GTS with a nice even power band. The Stage tunes have a hump where the power comes in stronger. I've dailied both in my stick F80.

hellokitty · 10-31-2021, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TopJimmy

For street I love the GTS with a nice even power band. The Stage tunes have a hump where the power comes in stronger. I've dailied both in my stick F80.

+1.

GTS map is really good for a daily driver and power is controllable since torque isn't insane.

Kilabyte · 10-31-2021, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by hellokitty

+1.

GTS map is really good for a daily driver and power is controllable since torque isn't insane.

I wish there was a way to save each map to M1 and M2 buttons, I would actually use the GTS map.

hellokitty · 10-31-2021, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kilabyte

I wish there was a way to save each map to M1 and M2 buttons, I would actually use the GTS map.

I thought that was what the CustomROM maps were for? You can switch maps using steering wheel controls, but I don't think GTS maps are part of Map 1-4 slots.

It would be nice to have a CustomROM map that has CS OEM, CS+, GTS, and Stage 1 or 2.

Adcampo · 10-31-2021, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hellokitty

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Originally Posted by Kilabyte

I wish there was a way to save each map to M1 and M2 buttons, I would actually use the GTS map.

I thought that was what the CustomROM maps were for? You can switch maps using steering wheel controls, but I don't think GTS maps are part of Map 1-4 slots.

It would be nice to have a CustomROM map that has CS OEM, CS+, GTS, and Stage 1 or 2.

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Originally Posted by hellokitty

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Originally Posted by Kilabyte

I wish there was a way to save each map to M1 and M2 buttons, I would actually use the GTS map.

I thought that was what the CustomROM maps were for? You can switch maps using steering wheel controls, but I don't think GTS maps are part of Map 1-4 slots.

It would be nice to have a CustomROM map that has CS OEM, CS+, GTS, and Stage 1 or 2.

Yeah, I thought this was an option.

heitzke · 10-31-2021, 11:40 AM

Expect for traction control to intervene a decent bit with the torque spike tbh, but even with it off I got plenty of traction through 3rd. 1st and 2nd were a bit loose without any boost reduction by gear (i'd recommend using that).

I'd consider it pretty usable power, but also 3rd the GTS map despite mostly using the standard stage 1. This car is also absolutely my daily fwiw.

RElias21 · 10-31-2021, 12:20 PM

There is boost reduction by gear which can really assist in first and second gear (with Stg 1).

Also, it depends a lot on your driving style. I find my bootmod3 to have very usable power even in second gear. I just don't necessarily go pedal to the medal.

Also, tires will make experience vary greatly from one to the next.

Kilabyte · 10-31-2021, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RElias21

There is boost reduction by gear which can really assist in first and second gear (with Stg 1).

Also, it depends a lot on your driving style. I find my bootmod3 to have very usable power even in second gear. I just don't necessarily go pedal to the medal.

Also, tires will make experience vary greatly from one to the next.

Agreed. Going from MPSS to M4S made a nice difference. It also depends where you live, with my current temps I'm not having too much fun in the first 2 gears

Silverlining_m2 · 10-31-2021, 05:02 PM

If you like to spin your tires for fun times then it is very usable. I upped the boost reduction 1st/2nd and now I get to choose when they spin. As for all gears beyond 2nd, yes, very usable.

MW F82 ///M4 · 11-01-2021, 12:33 AM

I have the original pss on my car and I could not get traction when the car was stock, let alone with the stage one tune. As others have said it sounds like updated tires make all the difference. I can’t wait to wear my pss out.

Adcampo · 11-01-2021, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by heitzke

Expect for traction control to intervene a decent bit with the torque spike tbh, but even with it off I got plenty of traction through 3rd. 1st and 2nd were a bit loose without any boost reduction by gear (i'd recommend using that).

I'd consider it pretty usable power, but also 3rd the GTS map despite mostly using the standard stage 1. This car is also absolutely my daily fwiw.

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Originally Posted by heitzke

Expect for traction control to intervene a decent bit with the torque spike tbh, but even with it off I got plenty of traction through 3rd. 1st and 2nd were a bit loose without any boost reduction by gear (i'd recommend using that).

I'd consider it pretty usable power, but also 3rd the GTS map despite mostly using the standard stage 1. This car is also absolutely my daily fwiw.

Thanks all. Sounds like fun, but I don't want to spin the tires or have dct jump in all the time. Is boost reduction by gear easy to code?

TopJimmy · 11-01-2021, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Adcampo

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Originally Posted by heitzke

Expect for traction control to intervene a decent bit with the torque spike tbh, but even with it off I got plenty of traction through 3rd. 1st and 2nd were a bit loose without any boost reduction by gear (i'd recommend using that).

I'd consider it pretty usable power, but also 3rd the GTS map despite mostly using the standard stage 1. This car is also absolutely my daily fwiw.

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Originally Posted by heitzke

Expect for traction control to intervene a decent bit with the torque spike tbh, but even with it off I got plenty of traction through 3rd. 1st and 2nd were a bit loose without any boost reduction by gear (i'd recommend using that).

I'd consider it pretty usable power, but also 3rd the GTS map despite mostly using the standard stage 1. This car is also absolutely my daily fwiw.

Thanks all. Sounds like fun, but I don't want to spin the tires or have dct jump in all the time. Is boost reduction by gear easy to code?

Easy as moving a slider… use Bootmod3

1000hp · 11-01-2021, 07:31 AM

Zero issues with BM3 Stage-2, 20% torque reduction in 1st gear, 10% in 2nd gear.
285/30R20 Michelin PSS.

I feel like I could ditch the 10% in 2nd and maybe drop 1st to 10%, but it's still fairly warm outside. We'll see what happens when it gets cold.
I had way less traction in my ~400whp e36 M3 on 245s in cool weather.

I'm curious how many of you guys with traction issues have DCT cars.

E92TiAg335i · 11-03-2021, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilabyte

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Originally Posted by RElias21

There is boost reduction by gear which can really assist in first and second gear (with Stg 1).

Also, it depends a lot on your driving style. I find my bootmod3 to have very usable power even in second gear. I just don't necessarily go pedal to the medal.

Also, tires will make experience vary greatly from one to the next.

Agreed. Going from MPSS to M4S made a nice difference. It also depends where you live, with my current temps I'm not having too much fun in the first 2 gears

What tire size do you run? I have OEM sizes with MPSS and the car ROASTS tires on the stage 1 tune (i'm basically FBO but no CH fix yet so only on stage 1).

Kilabyte · 11-04-2021, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by E92TiAg335i

What tire size do you run? I have OEM sizes with MPSS and the car ROASTS tires on the stage 1 tune (i'm basically FBO but no CH fix yet so only on stage 1).

Stock 19s sizes, going with more tire next season since these are close to needing replacement.

E92TiAg335i · 11-04-2021, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kilabyte

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Originally Posted by E92TiAg335i

What tire size do you run? I have OEM sizes with MPSS and the car ROASTS tires on the stage 1 tune (i'm basically FBO but no CH fix yet so only on stage 1).

Stock 19s sizes, going with more tire next season since these are close to needing replacement.

So you just switched from MPSS to MP4S (both on stock sizes) and it hooks a ton better now?

1000hp · 11-04-2021, 10:23 AM

The traction issues seem to be a product of four possible factors:

19" (stock-size) tires

shit tires (worn, or just not as grippy as Michelin PSS/4S/etc)

DCT.

Some level of tune.

I have a 6MT car, BM3 Stage-2, ZCP 20" Michelin PSS tires, and I have no problem pedaling the car to maintain traction under hard acceleration.
I borrowed a set of base model 19s with another brand tire while I had my wheels coated, and the car broke loose all the time (not just in a straight line, but under hard cornering, too).

Kilabyte · 11-04-2021, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by E92TiAg335i

So you just switched from MPSS to MP4S (both on stock sizes) and it hooks a ton better now?

It was a nice upgrade

Empathy · 11-06-2021, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 1000hp

The traction issues seem to be a product of four possible factors:

19" (stock-size) tires

shit tires (worn, or just not as grippy as Michelin PSS/4S/etc)

DCT.

Some level of tune.

I have a 6MT car, BM3 Stage-2, ZCP 20" Michelin PSS tires, and I have no problem pedaling the car to maintain traction under hard acceleration.
I borrowed a set of base model 19s with another brand tire while I had my wheels coated, and the car broke loose all the time (not just in a straight line, but under hard cornering, too).

Although I can't attest to breaking lose in corners, my stage 1 with 19s on stock old-ish tires slides all over the place through 3rd WOT pulls

1000hp · 11-10-2021, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Empathy

Although I can't attest to breaking lose in corners, my stage 1 with 19s on stock old-ish tires slides all over the place through 3rd WOT pulls

I would go to a wider rear tire, if you can do so without making the sidewall any taller.
The stock-size 19s squirmed quite a bit for me. But they were some random tire. A 275/35R19 PSS or 4S should have plenty of grip, but if that's what you've got and you're still all over the place maybe look into something wider.

loganruffin · 11-11-2021, 09:14 AM

Potentially a dumb question here...

Looking at a 2018 manual car that has stage 1 bootmod. Seller says the crankhub did fail and it was replaced under warranty but not with a pinned version, just OEM.

Is it common to have the crank hub problems even with just a stage 1? Should I be concerned about it happening again in the future? Appreciate any advice!

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Adcampo Lieutenant Colonel 882 Rep 1,661 Posts Drives: G80 Manual Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ashburn Va iTrader: (1)	How's the traction with bootmod stage 1? I have an 18' zcp 6mt. Thinking of doing bootmod CS or stage 1. No other mods. I understand the hp power and torque gains, but can you get it to the ground? I've read quite a few reviews about losing traction through 3rd gear. Especially on cold tires. Just courteous how useful the power is for "daily" driving, hole shots, exit ramps etc. __________________ 18' F80 6MT, 991.1s cab PDK, F83 6mt, 996 C4S cab 6mt, F30 328iM 6mt E60 M5 SMG, E39 M5, E46 M3 cab 6mt, E36 M3 5mt
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TopJimmy Major General 5450 Rep 5,143 Posts Drives: 2023 M3 Comp xDrive Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Chester County, PA iTrader: (5)	For street I love the GTS with a nice even power band. The Stage tunes have a hump where the power comes in stronger. I've dailied both in my stick F80. __________________ '18 F80 Base 6MT \| '19 F82 Exec DCT \| '18 F82 Comp Exec DCT \| '23 G80cx
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heitzke Captain 1153 Rep 783 Posts Drives: '15 M4 base, '04 Cobra Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Nashville iTrader: (1)	Expect for traction control to intervene a decent bit with the torque spike tbh, but even with it off I got plenty of traction through 3rd. 1st and 2nd were a bit loose without any boost reduction by gear (i'd recommend using that). I'd consider it pretty usable power, but also 3rd the GTS map despite mostly using the standard stage 1. This car is also absolutely my daily fwiw. __________________ Mosselman-powered M4 - 698/714 \| 2.9 Whipple 2004 Cobra - 690/645 \| Instagram
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RElias21 Captain 563 Rep 884 Posts Drives: 2017 30 Jahre M3 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central NJ iTrader: (1)	There is boost reduction by gear which can really assist in first and second gear (with Stg 1). Also, it depends a lot on your driving style. I find my bootmod3 to have very usable power even in second gear. I just don't necessarily go pedal to the medal. Also, tires will make experience vary greatly from one to the next. __________________ Previously: 2010 E92 335 (6MT) 2011 E92 M3 ZCP (6MT)
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Silverlining_m2 Major 1730 Rep 1,235 Posts Drives: 2023 M2, 2024 m235i Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Michigan iTrader: (0)	If you like to spin your tires for fun times then it is very usable. I upped the boost reduction 1st/2nd and now I get to choose when they spin. As for all gears beyond 2nd, yes, very usable. __________________ 2023 M2. ZB. Manual. 2024 m235i
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MW F82 ///M4 Private 52 Rep 65 Posts Drives: BMW M4 Join Date: Apr 2021 Location: Henderson Nevada iTrader: (1)	I have the original pss on my car and I could not get traction when the car was stock, let alone with the stage one tune. As others have said it sounds like updated tires make all the difference. I can’t wait to wear my pss out.
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1000hp Lieutenant 248 Rep 471 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Virginia Beach, VA iTrader: (2)	Zero issues with BM3 Stage-2, 20% torque reduction in 1st gear, 10% in 2nd gear. 285/30R20 Michelin PSS. I feel like I could ditch the 10% in 2nd and maybe drop 1st to 10%, but it's still fairly warm outside. We'll see what happens when it gets cold. I had way less traction in my ~400whp e36 M3 on 245s in cool weather. I'm curious how many of you guys with traction issues have DCT cars.
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1000hp Lieutenant 248 Rep 471 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Virginia Beach, VA iTrader: (2)	The traction issues seem to be a product of four possible factors: 19" (stock-size) tires shit tires (worn, or just not as grippy as Michelin PSS/4S/etc) DCT. Some level of tune. I have a 6MT car, BM3 Stage-2, ZCP 20" Michelin PSS tires, and I have no problem pedaling the car to maintain traction under hard acceleration. I borrowed a set of base model 19s with another brand tire while I had my wheels coated, and the car broke loose all the time (not just in a straight line, but under hard cornering, too).
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loganruffin New Member 0 Rep 19 Posts Drives: ISO E92 M3 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: North Carolina iTrader: (0)	Potentially a dumb question here... Looking at a 2018 manual car that has stage 1 bootmod. Seller says the crankhub did fail and it was replaced under warranty but not with a pinned version, just OEM. Is it common to have the crank hub problems even with just a stage 1? Should I be concerned about it happening again in the future? Appreciate any advice!
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