Comparison: F82 M4 versus E92 M3 Coupe (updated with real life pics)

[Jockey]

I've already commented in another thread that his posts towards the F8X reek of insecurity and he actually agreed that with looking at his posts, it could sound that way, so...

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by ixse

lol what other people are saying is all you comment on this f8x forum is either negative or glorifies your e9x. with all that negativity, the real question is why are you still lurking in f8x forum? since it is highly likely you won't be buying this car. just so maybe you can help sway couple more people away from this new M? Or maybe it's just your character? lol
usually most people in specific car forums stay in that forum because they love the car and want to get it in the future, or they own one currently.
to me, it seems like you belong in e9x forum (or maybe even a porsche forum) and have a great time glorifying the vehicle.

because i am interested in the new car

its good to have people with different view points on a forum. it makes it more interesting. think about if the only comments you see on a forum where all positive and everyone agreed on everything. it would at times be boring. i am right ? i love talking about cars negative and positive. its healthy for a forum

[Jockey]

Well, we got you, I am Earl, and basscadet to fill up the negative side pretty well.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Jockey

Well, we got you, I am Earl, and basscadet to fill up the negative side pretty well.

Basically. I am Earl is probably the most annoying though.

[Kayani_1]

I think it is a bit harsh to ask people to leave just because their opinion does not sit well with ones future purchase desires. All opinions should be welcomed positive or negative given they are not completely off topic and lacking facts and if people do not have tolerance for others opinions, then they should just sit in a corner and sing praises of their beloved car to themselves and not come to car forums.

Just my 2 cents.

Everyone has a right to their opinion and people need to stop being unwarranted forum police.

Originally Posted by ixse

lol what other people are saying is all you comment on this f8x forum is either negative or glorifies your e9x. with all that negativity, the real question is why are you still lurking in f8x forum? since it is highly likely you won't be buying this car. just so maybe you can help sway couple more people away from this new M? Or maybe it's just your character? lol
usually most people in specific car forums stay in that forum because they love the car and want to get it in the future, or they own one currently.
to me, it seems like you belong in e9x forum (or maybe even a porsche forum) and have a great time glorifying the vehicle.

[superflywheel]

Scrutinizing attributes one at a time does little for me - both are great cars and very similar. However I also suspect that the F82's lower/wider stance will make a big difference to your overall impression when seeing it in person. The sound will also make a big impact to your overall impression. So we'll really need to wait and see/hear them in person.

Still lovin' my E92 and I suspect that I will continue to even if the F82 is a home-run, which I hope it is.

[Jockey]

My interest is peaked.

What are your requirements for a "sports" car?

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

Every car, even a Porsche 911 has negatives.

Are you pulling me a leg here? EVEN a 911? Or my sarcasmmeter is broken or you don't know what you're talking about....

A 911 still is full of flaws, it was designed as a flaw from the begining with the engine at the back. I really don't see what's your point sorry.

And this makes your other comments less credible as well imo...


Cheers
Robin

[Robin_NL]

Question is: Will it rev to 8400




Cheers
Robin

[dc503]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

Again, thats my point. All these "I'm drooling" childish teenager posts about the new car all the time is what makes people like me and Ezio come here and ask questions. Questions most of those people don't even bother thinking about.

I have said quite positive things about the sedan. I said i want to buy it, i like interior and exterior, the brakes and so on.

But then there are obvious things that bmw does not want you to see and for some reason i am getting flamed for pointing them out.

They chose n55 over s65 for cost cutting. If they spent the same r&d they did 6 years this time on s65, they could have come up with a magnificant car. The 25% mpg difference is BS argument for S55. They could have improved the S65 to maybe 15-20% levels and the difference wouldnt hurt their "fleet" ratings as much. These are corporations that know nothing but greed. We need to get that straight and accept it.

The weight savings they keep mentioning is insignificant. The electronic steering is another obvious cost savings measure.

Not to mention, the farting exhaust and the dull sounding engine is nothing like what we are used to right now.

Lastly, and please pay attention to this one, I said many times, "let's accept the current car and the new car as they are with their flaws as they are, stop fighting, and move on". Lets talk about handling and the impact of eps or how they managed those numbers with same bore stroke or how durable this engine will be. Will it require 1200 mile service or the same oil or will it be okay with the same treatment as a N55? What about CCBs, are they waste of money if you are not tracking your car? Let's have a productive conversation.

'Interesting' points, but not good ones.

[Robin_NL]

So it's not about the E9x M3 's handling/weight when cornering, and its underengineered stock brakes, it's not about the (too) soft engineresponse midrange in real life(and on track it too needs a lot of straights/ space to get rid of less powerful cars ), it's not about the heavy fuelconsumption either.

No, It's all about cost cutting in the new F80/82 M3/M4.

Not making the successor a more fun to drive car.That's not BMW //Ms purpose at all. Cost cutting is...

[/sarcasm]

EPS is the only thing I'm a tad worried about in the new M3/M4.

Cheers
Robin

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

Not a lexus suv or a 328 sedan. The cars some people drive who post about the M3 are as close to being a sports car as my M3 is a space shuttle.

Sigh! You're like a broken record. What if that person with the Lexus or 328 has owned higher end sports cars before? What if that person with the Lexus or 328 has a higher end sports car in their garage as we speak. You assume too much, and all of the efforts to get you to STOP are futile.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

So it's not about the E9x M3 's handling/weight when cornering, and its underengineered stock brakes, it's not about the (too) soft engineresponse midrange in real life(and on track it too needs a lot of straights/ space to get rid of less powerful cars ), it's not about the heavy fuelconsumption either.

No, It's all about cost cutting in the new F80/82 M3/M4.

Not making the successor a more fun to drive car.That's not BMW //Ms purpose at all. Cost cutting is...

[/sarcasm]

EPS is the only thing I'm a tad worried about in the new M3/M4.

Cheers
Robin

You can't reason with an unreasonable fanboy who romanticizes his car.

[tinman831]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

Again, thats my point. All these "I'm drooling" childish teenager posts about the new car all the time is what makes people like me and Ezio come here and ask questions. Questions most of those people don't even bother thinking about.

I have said quite positive things about the sedan. I said i want to buy it, i like interior and exterior, the brakes and so on.

But then there are obvious things that bmw does not want you to see and for some reason i am getting flamed for pointing them out.

They chose n55 over s65 for cost cutting. If they spent the same r&d they did 6 years this time on s65, they could have come up with a magnificant car. The 25% mpg difference is BS argument for S55. They could have improved the S65 to maybe 15-20% levels and the difference wouldnt hurt their "fleet" ratings as much. These are corporations that know nothing but greed. We need to get that straight and accept it.

The weight savings they keep mentioning is insignificant. The electronic steering is another obvious cost savings measure.

Not to mention, the farting exhaust and the dull sounding engine is nothing like what we are used to right now.

Lastly, and please pay attention to this one, I said many times, "let's accept the current car and the new car as they are with their flaws as they are, stop fighting, and move on". Lets talk about handling and the impact of eps or how they managed those numbers with same bore stroke or how durable this engine will be. Will it require 1200 mile service or the same oil or will it be okay with the same treatment as a N55? What about CCBs, are they waste of money if you are not tracking your car? Let's have a productive conversation.

How are you able to have an intelligent discussion on BMW R&D and engine performance yet you say you don't know how to jack up a car? Are you messing with us?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by tinman831

How are you able to have an intelligent discussion on BMW R&D and engine performance yet you say you don't know how to jack up a car? Are you messing with us?

There was once a guy named travelbro who perused the forums and displayed a similar type of behavior. I wonder if Earl is Travelbro reincarnated.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

Will it require 1200 mile service or the same oil or will it be okay with the same treatment as a N55? What about CCBs, are they waste of money if you are not tracking your car? Let's have a productive conversation.

CCBs are an option and have been discussed ad naseum concerning the positives and negatives of them.

And where are you getting this 1200 mile service thing from?

We're perfectly fine at having a productive conversation but you're more interested in pointing out all the potentially negative aspects of the car and then the majority of the forum pointing out why you are incorrect making those types of statements.

And back to my earlier question, what in your mind makes a "sports" car. You've given an example of two cars that don't fit your view. Fine, but what requirements are there for you? Certain HP figures? Low profile tires? What? That's such a subjective thing to say you can see why people have an issue with it even being made.

So someone owns a sports car, so what? Do they just own it to have one? Are they members of the SCCA or BMWCCA? Have they have tracked their car or done an auto-x? Your superiority complex that owning a certain car immediately elevates your opinion above other peoples is childish.

And I've always wondered why the a lot of car enthusiasts have such a negative view towards BMW owners, it's because of stuff like this.

[filip75]

I like the e46 interior over both e92 and F80. F80 comes second, and e90/92 is dead last (near the e30).

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

I don't assume too much. I said this before, you are exception. Exceptions don't change general rules of thumb. There are hardly any people here in this very F80/F82 M3/M4 forum, who has owned an M3, and downgraded to a lesser car. There may be more in the world, but in this particular forum, who is actively posting, you are probably the only one. Why is this so hard to understand?

I drive an M3, to the owners of a Ferrari, it's a piece of sh!t BMW. I can't just go to Ferrari forums and start posting my opinion in a whole bunch of threads just because that's what I think. I guess I could, but I wouldn't, it's not right. I am never going to own a 300k Ferrari, I have no plans to own one, thus, my opinion is invalid.

Same goes here, for you, again, you are an exception, you owned an M3 and you are planning to buy the new car, a salute to you. But then there are a ton of people, let me repeat, A TON, who just want to shoot the shit, who drive a 128 or a Lexus, they just come here to post for no particular reason. I could care less what they think and frankly their opinion in the matter will inadvertently mislead future M3/M4 buyers. That's what I have been complaining about.

Obviously it's a free world and freedom of speech is what we all take advantage of, but that's not my point.

I'm naturally very egalitarian. I'm genuinely interested in the opinions of many on various topics on this forum and across Bimmerpost.

I do believe that you have a valid point though. There is some weight to be granted to those who are seriously considering this car and are in the demography for this particular market. I came out of a C63 and into my E92. My lease is up mid summer and I am extremely interested in the F8x and cars along the same niche. I will definitely bend my ear more to those of you who might actually get this car or one along the same lines.

I'm up for chatting with any of you though. I just love fun cars.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

I don't assume too much. I said this before, you are exception. Exceptions don't change general rules of thumb. There are hardly any people here in this very F80/F82 M3/M4 forum, who has owned an M3, and downgraded to a lesser car. There may be more in the world, but in this particular forum, who is actively posting, you are probably the only one. Why is this so hard to understand?

Earl...

...I can rattle off at least 12 F30 owners - without even trying - that post regularly on Bimmerpost who have owned ///M3's from the E46 or E9X generation, and who now drive 328's or 335's. I can name even more who went to another marquee, and didn't purchase the ///M3 equivalent. I'm sure if we took a poll, you might be shocked. You DO assume too much.

Originally Posted by I am Earl

I drive an M3, to the owners of a Ferrari, it's a piece of sh!t BMW. I can't just go to Ferrari forums and start posting my opinion in a whole bunch of threads just because that's what I think. I guess I could, but I wouldn't, it's not right. I am never going to own a 300k Ferrari, I have no plans to own one, thus, my opinion is invalid.

An M3 owner posting on a Ferrari board is NOT analogous to a 3-Series owner posting on an M3 board. Nice try though!

Originally Posted by I am Earl

Same goes here, for you, again, you are an exception, you owned an M3 and you are planning to buy the new car, a salute to you. But then there are a ton of people, let me repeat, A TON, who just want to shoot the shit, who drive a 128 or a Lexus, they just come here to post for no particular reason. I could care less what they think and frankly their opinion in the matter will inadvertently mislead future M3/M4 buyers. That's what I have been complaining about.

Obviously it's a free world and freedom of speech is what we all take advantage of, but that's not my point.

You are impossible dude.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by I am Earl

Ok do what you want, I got better things to do with my time.

Like rattle off on the internet about silliness? Multiple people have called you out regarding your tendency to make assumptions and your elitist attitude, but you still fail to comprehend it.

[///MDriver]

poor ps ..

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ///MDriver

poor ps ..