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      05-10-2019, 06:14 PM   #353
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I'm car shopping and was kinda up in the air between an M2C, M4, 440i.. went to the dealer today and drove the 440i with a sport exhaust, wasn't bad, sounded great, hate the shitty all-seasons most of the ones in stock seem to have, but it was a nice ride. maybe too nice, in terms of civility.. I think I'm looking for something more on the raw side.

My CA then suggests I try out the M4cs they have...

wowzers. the one thing that sucks is it started raining in the middle of the drive, but god damn that is one hell of a beast. I'm not sure I could have it as my dd, but I'd love to have it as a track toy. Didn't find the rid too harsh, but I think it sounds great, and the motor just pulls whether you are a gear or two high, or if you are in the midrange, gobs of torque and pull. It didn't even try to kill me in sport+ in the rain!

wife wasn't a fan, then again she's not a fan of me flooring it in the x5..

to those with cs's: enjoy em!

Now I've basically eliminated the 440 and it's either going to be an M2c (driving tomorrow) or an M4c.

getting close to my next ride!
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I'm car shopping and was kinda up in the air between an M2C, M4, 440i.. went to the dealer today and drove the 440i with a sport exhaust, wasn't bad, sounded great, hate the shitty all-seasons most of the ones in stock seem to have, but it was a nice ride. maybe too nice, in terms of civility.. I think I'm looking for something more on the raw side.

My CA then suggests I try out the M4cs they have...

wowzers. the one thing that sucks is it started raining in the middle of the drive, but god damn that is one hell of a beast. I'm not sure I could have it as my dd, but I'd love to have it as a track toy. Didn't find the rid too harsh, but I think it sounds great, and the motor just pulls whether you are a gear or two high, or if you are in the midrange, gobs of torque and pull. It didn't even try to kill me in sport+ in the rain!

wife wasn't a fan, then again she's not a fan of me flooring it in the x5..

to those with cs's: enjoy em!

Now I've basically eliminated the 440 and it's either going to be an M2c (driving tomorrow) or an M4c.

getting close to my next ride!
I know it's been mentioned many times here but the CS is a special car for sure. It's very well done and impressive. For the M2C, what's drawing you to that car over an M4 (base or ZCP)?
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I know it's been mentioned many times here but the CS is a special car for sure. It's very well done and impressive. For the M2C, what's drawing you to that car over an M4 (base or ZCP)?
1. heard a ton of good things about it, in forums, youtube/press and my mechanic who races/tracks and is old school bmw, even he likes it and that's saying something for a new age bmw.
2. price. a good 20 grand cheaper. for a reason though, I get it, M4 more power, more luxury, and bigger, but do I need it/is it worth it? not sure..

I haven't driven it yet, who knows, I might not like it and go 4ZCP instead.

I don't think I can make a bad decision between the two really.
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I know it's been mentioned many times here but the CS is a special car for sure. It's very well done and impressive. For the M2C, what's drawing you to that car over an M4 (base or ZCP)?
1. heard a ton of good things about it, in forums, youtube/press and my mechanic who races/tracks and is old school bmw, even he likes it and that's saying something for a new age bmw.
2. price. a good 20 grand cheaper. for a reason though, I get it, M4 more power, more luxury, and bigger, but do I need it/is it worth it? not sure..

I haven't driven it yet, who knows, I might not like it and go 4ZCP instead.

I don't think I can make a bad decision between the two really.
I think you're spot-on here - whichever one is more fun to you is the correct answer - both great cars!
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I think the chassis, ESP, and M Diff tuning are easily ignored in the CS, and this video nails it. As soon as I drove the CS I knew it was how the F80 was supposed to perform in the first place. It was a dramatic improvement over the non-ZCP for sure, and slightly improved even still over the ZCP. Price notwithstanding, it's such a great car and its a. Dry fun car to toss around.
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Has anyone here considered a manual swap? Is it even possible yet?

I realize that some people love the DCT, but Iíd prefer the CS with a manual.
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Has anyone here considered a manual swap? Is it even possible yet?

I realize that some people love the DCT, but Iíd prefer the CS with a manual.
Would make for an interesting thread
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Has anyone here considered a manual swap? Is it even possible yet?

I realize that some people love the DCT, but I’d prefer the CS with a manual.
All my cars within the past 20yrs all have been manual and I’m a 3rd pedal kinda guy and the CS with DCT is just the perfect combo to hoon around. It’s just wasn’t intended to have a manual gearbox. This is my first DCT and I wouldn’t want it differently. Take a snap back at the E46 CSL and E92 GTS or Lime Rock Edition. Same engineering concept.
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Has anyone here considered a manual swap? Is it even possible yet?

I realize that some people love the DCT, but Iíd prefer the CS with a manual.
You might as well get a manual ZCP and swap out the hood, suspension, tunes, wheels, CF aero bits and CS interior. It would be easier.
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All my cars within the past 20yrs all have been manual and Iím a 3rd pedal kinda guy and the CS with DCT is just the perfect combo to hoon around. Itís just wasnít intended to have a manual gearbox. This is my first DCT and I wouldnít want it differently. Take a snap back at the E46 CSL and E92 GTS or Lime Rock Edition. Same engineering concept.
Some CSLís were converted to manuals because thatís what the owners preferred. I understand thereís consensus on liking the DCT and allowing it to grow on you. But itís not a manual and thatís what some people want: a manual.
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You might as well get a manual ZCP and swap out the hood, suspension, tunes, wheels, CF aero bits and CS interior. It would be easier.
That sounds like a lot more work.

The e46 M3 manual swap is very popular nowadays, relatively cheap, and straightforward. Hence why I asked about the swap. Since the CS is so new, I wouldnít expect a swap to be cheap or straightforward, but if the e46 M3 is any indication of what it takes, then I donít see a reason why, sooner or later, manual swaps arenít being performed on the F80 series.
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Some CSLís were converted to manuals because thatís what the owners preferred. I understand thereís consensus on liking the DCT and allowing it to grow on you. But itís not a manual and thatís what some people want: a manual.
SMG pump failure replacements cost just as much for a manual conversion on the e46 M. It makes perfect sense to do the latter in the long run but to say owners want a manual because theyíre 3rd pedal purist is just false. A buddy did the manual conversion and wishes he didnít.

SMG is now a past technology but it was the one to have 20 yrs ago. I didnít fall on the hype and stuck with manual transmission. Nowadays, DCT is leaps ahead and proven to be very competitive.
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SMG pump failure replacements cost just as much for a manual conversion on the e46 M. It makes perfect sense to do the latter in the long run but to say owners want a manual because theyíre 3rd pedal purist is just false. A buddy did the manual conversion and wishes he didnít.

SMG is now a past technology but it was the one to have 20 yrs ago. I didnít fall on the hype and stuck with manual transmission. Nowadays, DCT is leaps ahead and proven to be very competitive.
Iím not sure I follow. Some of us purists prefer a manual. What is false about that statement? - I know a ton of people who did the conversion on the e46 M3 and they think itís the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I prefer a manual. Always have. Yes, I have driven both SMG and DCT. Is it a crime around here to prefer a manual transmission?

Nobody said anything relating performance. At least I didnít. Am I willing to live with a downgrade in performance as a consequence of having a manual? - Yes.

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I find it funny how they they stripped the dual zone control but kept the useless (in my case) rear sun shade in the name of weight savings
Interesting because that rear shade assembly isn't exactly light.
My thoughts exactly
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So I just came back into the M3 fold. Had every M3 from the E30 to the e92. Had M5s and x5ms. Went to Porsche's so I missed this f80 gen.

I was looking for a daily to complement my Range (which I love too) and I had picked a GT3 touring for the last year. It ended up being too stiff, I'm past the point of driving a manual, and it was too similar to the RS.

Picked up a CS last week and love every second of it so far. It's the perfect in between for me and offers a different drive than the other stuff in my garage.

Love the suspension, the steering is much better than expected, the engine is still great and the exhaust note is amazing. Not sure if they still pipe artificial sound into the car. This car is much tighter and more sorted out than the competition pack.

The lack of an armrest is tolerable you just need somewhere to put crap which it does lack. The missing comfort access stuff is a pain but you get used to it.

Coming from PDK the DCT is still lacking I think. It's slower to respond and the shifts don't feel as smooth or natural as a PDK.

Otherwise as a daily this is exactly what I was looking for and it may be a keeper. I leased it but I'm deciding whether to wrap it if I keep it after the lease. I don't like the all digital interfaces that are on all new cars, i love the analog dials. I may be keeping all my cars in my garage now that they are the last gen of analog dials

So highly recommended especially at current CS prices. Most are going for $20k off and monthly lease payments are in the $800-900 range.
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From what I can see, those seats look just like a variation of the RECARO Sportster CS, which are very good seats BTW.

This was bound to happen. I mean, BMW was always lagging behind in this area and others. For years, there was no shortage of enthusiasts who complained about the lack of performance brakes (mainly, fixed calipers) that were standard on the C class and other rivals (such as Mitsu Evo's or Sti's). They finally caved and made it happen. Another major complaint (for decades now) was the lack of performance seats offering (as in, bucket seats) in standard M cars. Sure, they offered bucket seats on the CSL followed by the BMW Performance seats on various limited models, but they were never available as a factory option on standard ///M cars.

This is long overdue.
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From what I can see, those seats look just like a variation of the RECARO Sportster CS, which are very good seats BTW.

This was bound to happen. I mean, BMW was always lagging behind in this area and others. For years, there was no shortage of enthusiasts who complained about the lack of performance brakes (mainly, fixed calipers) that were standard on the C class and other rivals (such as Mitsu Evo's or Sti's). They finally caved and made it happen. Another major complaint (for decades now) was the lack of performance seats offering (as in, bucket seats) in standard M cars. Sure, they offered bucket seats on the CSL followed by the BMW Performance seats on various limited models, but they were never available as a factory option on standard ///M cars.

This is long overdue.
Not sure what post you are referring to but coincidentally I was looking at the Recaro Sportster CS in black and white to match the rest of the CS interior.
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Is it just me, or is the M4CS more confortable in sport suspension setting than in comfort setting, even on bad roads?
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