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      09-20-2011, 09:25 AM   #67
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BMW is a business, therefore I'm not surprised that it is discarding its individuality and uniqueness in the name of conformity and profit.
Yeah, because big business is never creative, unique, and is always soulless.

Wait, weren't we talking about BMW, the most respected car company on the planet?
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      09-20-2011, 09:31 AM   #68
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Sorry, couldn't help myself! LOL.

Seriously... we haven't even developed Impulse power yet.
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Funny how people get crazy about heritage and tradition when it comes to engine architecture.

BMW may be proposing a V6, but rest assured if it actually goes to production, it will be THE BEST V6 EVER DESIGNED
and will probably win a string of awards along the way.
The BMW soul and spirit is what makes a BMW a BMW.. and very few acheived this..
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      09-20-2011, 10:51 AM   #70
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Seriously... we haven't even developed Impulse power yet.
Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not an engineer!
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      09-20-2011, 11:23 AM   #71
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all i know is shiv needs to buy one the day theyre available for order
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Kinda translation. feel free to correct anything I messed up

(57)summary: turbo alignment (1) for the combustion engine (2) with several cylinders (Z),that are exhaustsided(?) with at least one of the first or a second cylinder group (2a,2b) added toghether are, where the first cylinder group (2a) a first and a second cylinder group (2b) a second exhaust pipe (3a,3b) added in exhaust flow direction with a first turbine housing (4a) a first exhaust turbocharger (4) exhaust flow connected with a second turbine housing (5a) a second exhaust turbo (5) over a first stop(delay)organ(valve?) (6) exhaust flow connected, whereas the first and second exhaust(?) (3a,3b) in exhaust flow direction of the second exhaust turbo (5) in a connected exhaust portion (7) goes into, the second turbine housing (5a) goes into. Because of this inventiveness, the response is greater and engine usage is broadend.
Riiiiiiight.
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      09-21-2011, 10:29 AM   #73
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For what it is worth, I drove a Z4 35i twin turbo and liked it very much, I would not mind having it in my M3 not at all
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      09-21-2011, 10:32 AM   #74
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Funny how people get crazy about heritage and tradition when it comes to engine architecture.

BMW may be proposing a V6, but rest assured if it actually goes to production, it will be THE BEST V6 EVER DESIGNED
and will probably win a string of awards along the way.
I agree 100% and I am certain of that
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So the innovation here is a two twin scroll sequential turbos? I don't think that's been done before....?
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      09-21-2011, 01:27 PM   #76
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Check the Ford Taurus 3.5 liter TT or the new Jag C-X16 concept car to hear what it may sound like.
Sounds so funny when you put that in context of an M3 application. "I wonder what the new M3 will sound like?" "Go listen to the new FORD TAURUS"

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      09-28-2011, 12:35 PM   #77
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With BMW committed to turbocharging from here on out - this is not only the new M3 engine, but likely the end of the n54/n55 also. "V" is just a better config for turbos than "I". It'll improve reliability, cooling, lag and take up less longitudinal engine bay space. No reason to think their 6-cylinder lineups will be any different than the N63/S63

Yeah, you could say they sold out on their heritage - but times have changed and fuel regulations have changed. BMW wants to maintain efficiency, but still leads the performance game. Any other ideas?
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      10-04-2011, 04:44 AM   #78
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S63tu with 2 cylinders chopped off, 2 smaller turbos and 1.1 liters less, u heard it here first
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      10-16-2011, 11:04 PM   #79
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V6 engine for the M3 is the worst idea I ever heard (that is, after RFT tires and electric power steering). Its simply an inferior layout from a balance point of view. I'd much prefer to see an inline-6 engine being used. That is the best way to make a smooth engine with a nice exhaust sound. V6 engines generally don't sound the best.

If not an inline-6, they should simply drop in the turbo V8 from the M5 - End of topic!
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Honda NSX does not sound nice? Alfa 156 GTA does not sound nice? Remember, today the M3's V6 will be the only in the world to be at 90° instead of 60°. Done rightly a 90° V6 can be as smouth as an I6, downside is more complexity and thus slightly more weight, but due to short length of the engine, thes downsides can be negated.
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      10-17-2011, 03:14 AM   #81
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No I'm not a fan of the Alfa V6 sound. Like the NSX they only start to sound decent when then get to 7000RPM. To me they don't sound any better than a 4 cylinder.
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V6 engine for the M3 is the worst idea I ever heard (that is, after RFT tires and electric power steering). Its simply an inferior layout from a balance point of view. I'd much prefer to see an inline-6 engine being used. That is the best way to make a smooth engine with a nice exhaust sound. V6 engines generally don't sound the best.

If not an inline-6, they should simply drop in the turbo V8 from the M5 - End of topic!
For what it’s worth, I am with you on this. One upside to a V6 configuration is that the inherent V design offers the mechanical capacity to achieve a higher rev limit. I hope BMW makes use of this. It would be awesome if they can rev it out to 8000+ rpm.

I'll miss the noise of the I6 tho…
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I think BMW should stick with the inline six.

The should also change the M5 to a straight eight, because straight eights are better balanced than V8s!
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I think BMW should stick with the inline six.

The should also change the M5 to a straight eight, because straight eights are better balanced than V8s!
Example: In the '50s Mercedes Benz had a straight eight in their 300SLR competition car. But the crankshaft was too long, relatively spoken compared to a V8, and therefore too fragile.



Maybe with newer techniques nowadays a straight eight would be possible....
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5-6 years later. My 2017 F80 delivery will be August . I6 Twin Turbo.
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5-6 years later. My 2017 F80 delivery will be August . I6 Twin Turbo.
Thank God! The i6 platform has many advantages over a V6 platform and I'm glad BMW realized this and I hope they never go the V6 route. At this point, I seriously doubt it. The I6 is just too good.
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Wow this is one old thread
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Thank God! The i6 platform has many advantages over a V6 platform and I'm glad BMW realized this and I hope they never go the V6 route. At this point, I seriously doubt it. The I6 is just too good.
I don't think BMW will ever go with V6 route.
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