09-02-2013, 11:16 AM | #111 |
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Not sure what folks are referring to as the fart sound. I personally like the subtle off-throttle backfires. BMW must be sacrificing just a little fuel economy to treat us to those.
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Some people have mentioned that the F82 exhaust, etc sounds like a 335is, but a little different. I listened to some clips of a 335is exhaust and it sounded really nice. If it sounds like this I would be fine with the exhaust sound of the new M4.
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The S65 is an aluminum block which makes it substantially lighter. If I recall correctly the S65 is roughly 33lbs lighter than the S54 but a lot changed over those years like the decision to use alluminum over a cast block. Compare the S65 to the N54 in which the N54 is lighter than the S65 N54 Short block weight: 293.215 lbs (see: http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E9.../short_engine/) S65 Short block weight (the non-discontinued, lighter version): 306.443 lbs (see: http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E9.../short_engine/) Based on those numbers, the S65 is ~13.29lbs heavier than the N54 and the S65 and N54 are relatively old now. Just think what could be done to shave some extra weight now that 6 years have passed. I may have over-reached by saying it would be a significant weight difference but at a certain point ever little bit of weight helps.
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I really don't think you understand how loud a 335is is, as I said twice already I had my 335is parked right next to our E90 M3 in the garage and had both cars at the same time. It wasn't even close except for WOT, but I was only responding to a guy who asked about volume and this is such a minor point anyways.
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09-03-2013, 03:41 PM | #119 |
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400 lbs of tq, 450 hp, and 3200 lbs weight!! Helloooooo!! Anybody home !!!???
Take all the useless junk out and we may have a 3000 lbs monster. Make no mistake - EVs are coming, very fast! All these automakers are not prepared to handle Tesla. They are scrambling to catch up. Ferrari's new cars will be hybrids. Porsche the same. NA engines are history. Enjoy the sounds of petrol engines while you can, whatever they are. |
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And.. comparing block weights of an N/A car and turbo car is silly. It's the peripherals that do the damage; turbos (2+?), a heavy as heck air-to-water intercooler, plumbing, etc... That's where the real damage is done. A 'wet' N54 is much heavier than an S65. Further, given that this thing will be running a fair amount of boost, I wouldn't be surprised to see an iron block. Anyway - I'm pumped for this car. It's a fantastic compromise at the hand of very promising technology and cost/volume considerations. It'll be different, after all the S65 and S54 we're extravagant, uncompromising and raw. Also, to the guy with the 335is that 'screams'... congrats, it's a fantastic BMW...but do yourself a favor and never drive an E46 or E9x M3, you'll wish you spent the extra $5k. And ignore my sig- my M3 is gone... Shopping for a P-car |
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I'll take the decrease in mileage rather than having to get the carbon buildup cleaned out of the intake and tops of valves every 20K miles.
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I am a bit confused as well as to why BMW did not just throw a turbo on a v8 and call it a day. The motors would probably be around the same weight it seems
Ultimately what I am hoping is that BMW did not max this motor out, I would love to be able to throw on some catless down pipes and a chip (or actual dyno tune) and have the car put down an extra 50hp/50tq to the wheels. It would be a huge disappointment to gain only minimal power because the motor is already significantly maxed out stock by BMW. |
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1. $$$ 2. would have been too much power, and would have cannibalized the M5/6's sales and market positions. the lineup wouldn't make sense. same reason as why Porsche holds back on the Cayman |
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3. It would have been thirstier and politics demands ever higher mpg.
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09-06-2013, 12:37 PM | #127 |
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Well, that being said, I hope this motor/tran can handle power and mods nicely! There is nothing better than throwing on a few mods that create significant power but still give off a completely stock appearance and or sound (if you'd like it to be quiet)
My heart still longs for details on the M2. I personally liked the 1M and if the M2 looks nice, and is more powerful, I think it will fit the bill nicely for what I am looking for. Love the e90 sedan M3 but could never justify 60k for one. I love that the new M3's will ONLY come in sedans (I dont consider a M3 vert to be a real sports car :-x) anyway, I really hope the M2 is price accordingly and they make enough of them. Again the M3 just doesn't seem to be worth 60k to me, but I am hoping to hop into a new car (M2!?) if not I will have to settle for a <2011 e90 M3 which is disappointing because they do not make significant power being all motor (i'd just leave the damn thing stock like I did my E46) But maybe the introduction of an only sedan M3 will make the E90's drop a lot in price? |
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CLA45 AMG breaking new ground in small performance sedans, it will likely be the benchmark for the next generation. I say "almost" because with a base price of $48,350 and an expected transaction price closer to $55,000, other manufacturers might not see AMG's latest and greatest as direct competition. That's for a turbo-4 with a front-drive bias and an interior that got hit by the ugly, plastic stick... Like 3/4 basis, the 2 series will come at a premium to the 1. The name change was designed to help margins...not make selection easier. Also, proper 6cyl M-car is worth 60k. Another way to think of it, you're paying E46 money for the modern, better performing equivalent with much better standard equipment. |
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