M4 vs. Cayman GTS

[pkimM3r]

Might as well get a gt86 with fi.

[Romo]

Originally Posted by Kaxon

IMHO the Cayman is a gorgeous car, way better looking than the 911. I do wish it had more power, so the GTS sounds interesting, but bumping it by just 15 HP isn't that impressive. I wish they'd just make one with the 3.8L Carrera S engine.

Also, it sounds like the GTS will only come with 20 inch wheels... yuck. I don't get the huge wheels craze, big wheels are harsh and heavy. Ugh.

+1 on comparrisson to the 991-911, I really do like the Cayman more. But it definitive needs more power, especially below 4K RPM IMHO

I would like the EPS-steering feel to be better, it has no feel/ too little to say the least IMHO, take the GT3 EPS system and it can be solved quickly.

18-19" are possible if you want to, but I must confess the 20" are 1st class lookers.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by bimmerj

The cayman S and higher versions are hard to beat. You have to drive one to see how the car reacts. I bought one last year, the car drives on rails.

Wouldn't it be cheaper the to buy a trainticket?

I like my car also to be a little less sterile/perfect.

Sometimes you have to fight the car a bit.
The Cayman chassis allows that more than 100% I'm sure, but the power needs to be adequate to get more fun /character out of the car/chassis imo. Like a 458 lol.

But I see you also have a C63 to do some hooliganism.

Cheers
Robin

[dhoggm3]

I'll raise a glass to hooliganism!

[pkimM3r]

There is plenty of hooliganism in any car. If you cant mess around with a certain car, its you, not the car lol.

Im sure your 1m is plenty of that though haha

[Nang Vann]

M4 for me!

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

There is plenty of hooliganism in any car. If you cant mess around with a certain car, its you, not the car lol.

Im sure your 1m is plenty of that though haha

It surely is



Cheers
Robin

[fatmike91]

The 981 Cayman is a fantastic car. Just fantastic. If you haven't driven it you should.

If you are interested in a a pure sportscar experience, it is one of the best cars on the road (and maybe one of the best cars ever made by any car manufacturer ever).

The M is very interesting to me. I'd like to drive it. Whether I consider buying it depends 100% on the driving inputs. That is the shifter feel, the steering wheel feel, the clutch feel and throttle response. You can talk smack all day long about the Cayman, but it's throttle response is second to none (as good as some old M3s).

Will the new new M maintain it's throttle response? I'll tell you this, I bought a first generation 335 and sold it within 3 months because I absolutely couldn't stand the turbo lag...



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[Romo]

Nobody said the Cayman isn`t fantastic, it`s beautiful, very good German built quality.

But it is not perfect IMHO, it has it flaws. There are a number of people here mention the same things.

1 EPS
2 Low on power/torque at low RPM


For track purposes it will be perfect, but not everybody wil track his car, the M3-M4 is more practical car for daily driving.

The GTS might be better, just have to see on that, but as was posted above;

It`s an insult for 10-15 HP more on the GTS

which IMHO is true.

The Cayman chassis is very good, it deserves more power than 325 HP, the car is crying out lout for more.....

[pkimM3r]

Shit. The low tq came out. I think when ppl speak to how great these cars are, its generally when driving them the way they are supposed to be. Otherwise for a daily driver, the non m cars are better

[fatmike91]

Originally Posted by Romo

Nobody said the Cayman isn`t fantastic, it`s beautiful, very good German built quality.

But it is not perfect IMHO, it has it flaws. There are a number of people here mention the same things.

1 EPS
2 Low on power/torque at low RPM


For track purposes it will be perfect, but not everybody wil track his car, the M3-M4 is more practical car for daily driving.

The GTS might be better, just have to see on that, but as was posted above; which IMHO is true.

The Cayman chassis is very good, it deserves more power than 325 HP, the car is crying out lout for more.....

Cayman's steering feel is better than nearly any other modern car on the road -- and better than any BMW I've driven. Sure its a "flaw", but only in comparison with older Porsches and such.

The Cayman makes up for the low end torque by an engine that has flawless throttle response and wants to rev to red line all day long (and while it's there it sounds great and is smooth as silk).

The new M3/M4 needs to excel in these areas (steering feel, throttle response, eagerness to rev).


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[Romo]

I know the Cayman EPS isn`t on par with my hydraulic PS 1M..........

[Sy546]

Originally Posted by Romo

I know the Cayman EPS isn`t on par with my hydraulic PS 1M..........

IMO it is. The new Boxster/Cayman is has as good, if not better, steering feel than the 1M. Almost as telepathic as an Evora.

Regardless for a DD, M3/M4 wins easily. For a true sportscar/weekender the Cayman/Boxster (even base models) are hard to beat.

[OverDriven]

Originally Posted by camber

Cayman is a great car and a great performing car.

However, it is absolutely hideous. The front is okay, but the rear is butt ugly. Contrast that with the 911, which had the "right" rear. I actually think the 991 911 looks awesome.

This ugliness was the only factor swaying me away from the Cayman for years. The rear end needs work. Otherwise, I'd already be driving one.

Are you unaware that the entire car has been redesigned? They certainly fixed the problems with the looks of the Cayman. I've seen several of the new ones in person and they are light years beyond the last generation.

Originally Posted by VAUROS

Blah! People don't buy Cayman's. People who truly want a Porsche buy 911 or higher. Personally, I don't see the value in the premium over a BMW or Audi unless you are a track nut. I guess if all you care about is prestige then sure, I 'guess' it makes sense. The only car that even remotely intrigues me is the new 991 GT3, but at that price point, I'd rather get a GT-R Nismo and save some loot.

People who want a real Porsche experience are actually buying the Cayman. The 911 (except the GT3) has become a bloated luxury sports car. The Cayman is very much like what a 911 used to be when they were more pure sports cars.

As for the GT3 vs GTR, I can tell you've driven neither. Go drive a GTR hard on a track and then drive a new GT3 on a track. I would have a hard time believing anyone would pick the GTR after that. It's not even close.

[OverDriven]

Originally Posted by E92LNGCGY

As some of you may be aware (or not), there will be a Cayman GTS being revealed at the Beijing Motor Show (according to my dealer).

The only information we have so far is a HP increase to about 340hp and various other bits.

http://www.autonet.ca/en/2013/10/03/...-us-salivating

I believe the pricing for the M4 and Cayman GTS will be very close to each other. This may not be a apples to apples comparison because they are different cars but I am cross shopping these because of the price and possibly similar performance.

Would fellow members consider the Cayman GTS?

The BASE price may be the same, but as anyone who has purchased a Porsche knows, you are going to get killed on the options. As a general rule, you can add 25% to the base price of a Porsche to get the price you will pay with pretty standard options. If the base on the Cayman GTS is $70,000, expect to buy it at around $90,000.

[E92LNGCGY]

Originally Posted by OverDriven

The BASE price may be the same, but as anyone who has purchased a Porsche knows, you are going to get killed on the options. As a general rule, you can add 25% to the base price of a Porsche to get the price you will pay with pretty standard options. If the base on the Cayman GTS is $70,000, expect to buy it at around $90,000.

That is very true. Options are killer and no one buys a base Porsche of any kind. My friend went to the local Porsche dealer looking to get a base Boxster S and they pretty much laughed at him and was told that generally customers add around $20k worth of options.

I personally wanted the 991 GT3 but with some basic options it came to $162k. Base price was $149k and I wasn't even checking off the anything fancy options.

[w3rkn]

Originally Posted by Romo

I`ve driven a 2013 Cayman S and it`s a nice car as in in-and-exterior wise, the engine is a little screamer and the PDK is really delivering.
I was a little disappointed about the EPS, it didn`t feel connected, just not the right feel about it.

I do feel my 1M is better steering wise, power wise.

I certainly will make a testdrive with an M4, if possible a Cayman GTS, in the Netherlands it will be the same price category.

For I`m not a circuit guy, I do think the M4 holds the best cards form me. The Cayman would be king with a 400HP engine. But this will never happen due to the holy 991-911

Why not an M2..?

It will be slighting longer wheel base than you 1M, & lighter. Not-to-mention better handling than both the M4 and Cayman.

[Sy546]

Originally Posted by w3rkn

Why not an M2..?

It will be slighting longer wheel base than you 1M, & lighter. Not-to-mention better handling than both the M4 and Cayman.

better handling than the cayman? your saying that about a car with no specs out yet? you're crazy.

[Hoopumpers]

Originally Posted by E92LNGCGY

That is very true. Options are killer and no one buys a base Porsche of any kind. My friend went to the local Porsche dealer looking to get a base Boxster S and they pretty much laughed at him and was told that generally customers add around $20k worth of options.

I personally wanted the 991 GT3 but with some basic options it came to $162k. Base price was $149k and I wasn't even checking off the anything fancy options.

GT3 base price is 130k.

At 162k you've ticked almost every option in the book.

[E92LNGCGY]

Originally Posted by Hoopumpers

GT3 base price is 130k.

At 162k you've ticked almost every option in the book.

I was referring to Canadian pricing.

[Romo]

Originally Posted by w3rkn

Why not an M2..?

It will be slighting longer wheel base than you 1M, & lighter. Not-to-mention better handling than both the M4 and Cayman.

M2 could be, but it`ll take up to 215 (maybe even 2016) before riding the streets. There are also rumors it`ll only be delivered as a 4 banger.

Also that M2 is growing in size once again, the nicest part of the 1M is it`s compactness, which I do really love ( it is a very nice coincidence that the 981-Cayman S has exact the proportions as the 1M, only wheelbase is different)

Engine wise the NA vs Turbo discussion is tough, both are great on their own way, but the turbo in street riding has made mee feel spoiled somewhat, the instant power feel/delivery is just insane, high reving engines are great also on feel and sound, but not always possible in daily driving ( I dit have an E46 M3 and an E92 M3, so have been there done that)

Further rumors are that Porsche is going to build only turbo charged engines from 2016 and on, because of EU CO2 emission regulations/laws

The Cayman is a serious alternative for me, the EPS will be better and evolving in time, engine developments are on the way as we speak.

We will see what happens for succesion of the 1M, which is for me the most rewarding Bimmer ever driven. Could be I `ll never give her up

[LDSM]

go for the cayman