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      12-09-2019, 10:00 AM   #3983
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Hopefully one day down the road you’ll give it another try and yes, go see visit the Freedom Tower, its like Pearl Harbor, every American who loves this country should have it on their lists of places to see.
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I do not doubt one bit that it has changed in 33 years, in fact I would hope so, and be shocked if it had not!

The wall? What wall? Do you have Google Earth? Look up Nogales Az, and then follow "the wall" a few miles out of town in either direction. What is a fence in town turns into nothing more than a cattle guard, with roads coming up on both sides from the North and South just a few miles to the East and West. There are hundreds of miles along the Southern border just like this. The wall is an absolutely necessary part of defending the nation, falling under federal jurisdiction. Hardly the same thing as keeping NYC a "showpiece".
It's about getting hundreds of thousands of Americans to and from work everyday in an orderly fashion. How would we look to the rest of the world if our most important city (trigger warning) had people shuttling across the river on kayaks or have 4 hours of gridlock traffic in both directions everyday like it's Brazil or India.
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Since i am involved in state and federally funded infrastructure projects daily, I can maybe shed some light on what is/isnt federally funded.

Typically, funding from the state significantly outweighs funding from the federal level. For example, a recent Interstate Project i was involved in recently received $200mill from the state, ~$100mill from the feds, ~$50-75 mill from the surrounding communities. A water infrastructure project im currently involved in gets $10mill from the state, $5mill from the feds, $25mill from the local municipalities. In all the projects I have done over the last decade +, federal funding has been at most, 50% of state funding, unless it is a Federal Project site, or is classified as a high priority site/project by Homeland Security.

The Federal Government isnt here to fund local projects. It is here to help supplement states funding, and shouldnt be expected to be a significant contributor.
They were supposed to cover 50%. I never said fund the entire project. It is and has been a top national infrastructure priority. Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao has called the project "an absolute priority".
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Hopefully one day down the road you’ll give it another try and yes, go see visit the Freedom Tower, its like Pearl Harbor, every American who loves this country should have it on their lists of places to see.
Yes, the Freedom tower is on my bucket list, and precisely for that reason. Never forget.
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It's about getting hundreds of thousands of Americans to and from work everyday in an orderly fashion. How would we look to the rest of the world if our most important city (trigger warning) had people shuttling across the river on kayaks or have 4 hours of gridlock traffic in both directions everyday like it's Brazil or India.
Is that a matter of national security? Or optics? C'mon man...

Did you look at Google Earth?
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They were supposed to cover 50%. I never said fund the entire project. It is and has been a top national infrastructure priority. Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao has called the project "an absolute priority".
again... it shouldnt be their job to be a significant source of funding. most infrastructure projects are funded 80 state 20 feds at most. Why is this any different? And youve got 2 states to the split the bill on this. 2 states that have fairly high state and local taxes.

and no, its not a top national infrastructure project. Its a top local infrastructure project.
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Is that a matter of national security? Or optics? C'mon man...

Did you look at Google Earth?
It would cripple one of the most important cities in your country and one of the most important in the world. Federal funds are not use-limited to national security.
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It would cripple one of the most important cities in your country and one of the most important in the world. Federal funds are not use-limited to national security.
Then I guess you guys better figure out how to fix it. I agree with TheWatchGuy.
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You don't pay tolls on trains.
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Are you calling blue collar America dumb? Bold to say the least. By the way, he beat Obama - peel back the onion or ask someone with a blue collar in to help explain....
Don't be too offended. I know a few very successful and highly educated people that are big Trump fans. But his (Trumps) message does seem to be geared to a lower level.

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again... it shouldnt be their job to be a significant source of funding. most infrastructure projects are funded 80 state 20 feds at most. Why is this any different? And youve got 2 states to the split the bill on this. 2 states that have fairly high state and local taxes.

and no, its not a top national infrastructure project. Its a top local infrastructure project.
I disagree. NYC is one of the main, if not THE main, transportation hubs in the country. And the world. What affects NYC tends to affect us all. Some, if not a lot, of federal dollars are to be expected.

I am much more offended about the cost of the "big dig" in Boston. That was a waste of federal dollars.
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I disagree. NYC is one of the main, if not THE main, transportation hubs in the country. And the world. What affects NYC tends to affect us all. Some, if not a lot, of federal dollars are to be expected.

I am much more offended about the cost of the "big dig" in Boston. That was a waste of federal dollars.
The region accounts for 20% of US GDP. If it were an independent country, it would tie Germany for the fourth largest nominal GDP in the world.
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The region accounts for 20% of US GDP. If it were an independent country, it would tie Germany for the fourth largest nominal GDP in the world.
All of this is well in good - and accurate - but I fail to see how this is still the responsibility of the federal government and not that of the states?
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All of this is well in good - and accurate - but I fail to see how this is still the responsibility of the federal government and not that of the states?
You've given your views on federal funding for state projects and I will not change them. Defense only - got it.
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I disagree. NYC is one of the main, if not THE main, transportation hubs in the country. And the world. What affects NYC tends to affect us all. Some, if not a lot, of federal dollars are to be expected.

I am much more offended about the cost of the "big dig" in Boston. That was a waste of federal dollars.
A lot of dollars will be there from the feds, just not funding half of it. A project like this you would expect 1/3 from NJ, 1/3 from NY and the remaining from private and federal funding. And at the estimate $10-15 billion project cost, that most likely will end up in the 20+ billion range, thats a significant chunk of money.

federal funding for infrastructure has come a long way since the big dig, and you rarely see a project with 85% federal funds, but the challenges of a project like that will be present on a project like the NY/NJ Tunnel. End of the day, there will be cost overruns, schedule overruns, unforeseen issues, etc. It is construction afterall.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
WASHINGTON, Dec 9 (Reuters) - A U.S. congressional panel leading the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump will debate the evidence against him on Monday, with Democratic lawmakers poised to move forward with possible formal charges of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress this week.
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Is that a matter of national security? Or optics? C'mon man...

Did you look at Google Earth?
Look up why the interstate system was built. It is pretty obvious a big project in one place can benefit a very large area around it for commerce and national security. I'd say keeping the economy running smoothly across the country is part of national security no?
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Are you calling blue collar America dumb? Bold to say the least. By the way, he beat Obama - peel back the onion or ask someone with a blue collar in to help explain....
Don't be too offended. I know a few very successful and highly educated people that are big Trump fans. But his (Trumps) message does seem to be geared to a lower level.

Its good to see you back in the political section again!
Thanks. I take more breaks from the insanity in these parts more often now.

Not offended at all. Just seemed like a generalization. Agreed, know many highly educated folks backing Trump. And, know quite a few that poll against but hit the Trump button in the booth.
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Nunes is such a joke. He should definitely recuse himself or be investigated for immediate removal. He's absolutely part of this entire corruption and obstruction process:

Vox.com: Nunes’s explanations for his Parnas calls are getting very outlandish.
https://www.vox.com/2019/12/9/210025...ew-phone-calls
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Says the guy on the side of the isle that continues to repeat the "not my president" mantra.




I don't personally think the federal government should be involved in infrastructure in any location with the USA. That is a state issue, not a federal issue.
Why shouldn't the federal government be involved in any infrastructure project? We wouldn't have a interstate highway system if everything were left up to the states. In my opinion, a cohesive infrastructure makes more sense than a fractured one.
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Why shouldn't the federal government be involved in any infrastructure project? We wouldn't have a interstate highway system if everything were left up to the states. In my opinion, a cohesive infrastructure makes more sense than a fractured one.
Yea about that, the states have been financially strap trying to maintaine the interstate highway with very little aid from the fed on the upkeep for a project they created.

That also not considering all the communities destroy by the interstate highway.
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