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      12-05-2019, 04:11 AM   #67
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Come on Merc have wiped the board 6 years on the trot. Some are saying it's fixed for Merc and the joke once was 'Ferrari International Assistance' as a distraction from who's leading.Yet Ferrari haven't won the D/C since 2007..! At least there could be an independent racing body who could have the final decision in what is allowed to be fair to ALL the other teams.The tyre temp control hub is giving Merc a huge advantage.
Why did none of the other teams then lodge a formal protest over whatever "cheating" Merc did?


Really...........
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      12-05-2019, 05:44 AM   #68
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Why did none of the other teams then lodge a formal protest over whatever "cheating" Merc did?


Really...........
Engine supply comes to mind..just let them try complaining then no engine.Merc simply has too much of a stranglehold on F1 in nearly all areas and have turned into a goliath shadowing the lesser teams like some kind of hideous creature.
The hub mentioned and passed as legal is another example of how they use their advantage with already a massive tech lead. The others don't say anything as they would simply be squeezed by other means.Welcome to F1.
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      12-05-2019, 05:50 AM   #69
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I'm guessing you and your pal only started seriously watching F1 when Max Verstappen started.

So let me explain a bit how F1 works.
The FIA produce Technical regulation, Sporting regulations and a rather nebulous idea of the spirit of the regulations which the teams must adhere to.

For examples:
Benetton/Schumacher got into trouble for having illegal Launch/traction control software on their car which was strictly against the technical regulations...that was cheating.
Benetton removed a filter from their refuel rig against the regulations to speed fuel delivery during pit stops, famously resulting in a toasty Jos Verstappen...that was cheating.

Red Bull used a flexible front wing to reduce drag at high speed. Other teams noted the flexible front wing and asked the FIA if they can do the same. The technical regulations at the time did not allow movable aerodynamic devices. The FIA introduced weight tests on the front wing to limit flexibility....Red Bulls flexible front wing was regarded by many as cheating.

Mercedes introduced a system (as pictured) earlier this year to aid rear wheel cooling. The FIA were asked by other teams if they could adopt a similar system and the FIA declared that the system was allowed and within the regulations and other teams are free to use the same system.
That is simply called innovation.
Your guess would be wrong, been watching it since 1066 mate.
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      12-05-2019, 05:53 AM   #70
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Boohoo

Brawn’s championship season was down to the double diffuser, which fia did nothing about. Par for the course, quit whining.
Brawn won the championship once,Merc have six on the trot and questions need to be asked in how they operate.
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      12-05-2019, 07:34 AM   #71
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Brawn won the championship once,Merc have six on the trot and questions need to be asked in how they operate.
LOL seriously?

Honda 6 Championships in a row
Renault 6 Championships in a row
Ferrari 6 Championships in a row
Renault 4 Championships in a row
Merc 6 Championships in a row

I'm thinking if I squint really hard I might be able to see a pattern.

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      12-05-2019, 09:23 AM   #72
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LOL seriously?

Honda 6 Championships in a row
Renault 6 Championships in a row
Ferrari 6 Championships in a row
Renault 4 Championships in a row
Merc 6 Championships in a row

I'm thinking if I squint really hard I might be able to see a pattern.
Difference is Merc have won the drivers AND constructors six years in a row.No team has ever done that before, you don't need to squint to see that.
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      12-05-2019, 09:43 AM   #73
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What do you need to know about how they operate? They invested their money in the best. We all know they invested ahead of all the teams on the engine. Ferrari caught up 2 years ago.

Ferrari could’ve won in 2017. They self destructed as usual. Merc’s real dominance was 2014-2016.
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      12-05-2019, 09:48 AM   #74
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Difference is Merc have won the drivers AND constructors six years in a row.No team has ever done that before, you don't need to squint to see that.
Ferrari did manage 5
McLaren 4
Renault 4
So maybe just a little bit of squinting then.
The point being that an engine winning a rake of F1 championships in a row is not at all uncommon.
Trying to throw dirt at a team just for being successful seems a bit sad.

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Ferrari did manage 5
McLaren 4
Renault 4
So maybe just a little bit of squinting then.
The point being that an engine winning a rake of F1 championships in a row is not at all uncommon.
Trying to throw dirt at a team just for being successful seems a bit sad.
Especially when FIA is bending over backwards to accommodate their tricks.
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Some said...His tyres saving management is the best ever ! The Whisperer of Tires...

Well. Actually *The thing* works like a tyre cooling ventilator.......
He still is. He has a team mate who cannot manage to do the same thing. And as far as the rules in Formula One Technical Regulations go, they are exclusionary. If something is not expressly forbidden and doesn't fall afoul of the rules as written, it can be done. This is why the vents are legal.
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You sound like a whining child. I’m sure you’d be jumping for joy if your beloved Helmut Marko thought it up.


The only valid complaint for any loser in f1 is money. Money buys talent, plain and simple. Seeing as Redbull has money, they just plain lost. Nothing more to it. Stop bitchin and moaning.
Right ! And a secret (cheating) innovation was used to *make* fals driver skills and race winners !
Nonetheless the Merc drivers were still moaning by MAX his true and pure driver skills !

Mate ...Give me a break
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      12-05-2019, 03:25 PM   #78
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I'm guessing you and your pal only started seriously watching F1 when Max Verstappen started.
Negative . I saw Schumacher cheating in his Benetton with the first traction control used in F1 .
Yeah .He had great driver skills in the rain ,driver skills made by the forbidden traction control and software !
Cheating by innovation ...Is that good enough ?
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It's not fair , the advantage was huge ! And the FIA allowed it .
You can see it like doping in sports . And the International anti-doping agency (the FIA in this situation) closed their eyes during the whole season...
FIA is a big joke !
Dude.....put the pipe down.
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Negative . I saw Schumacher cheating in his Benetton with the first traction control used in F1 .
Then you have no excuse for talking such utter nonsense.

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Cheating by innovation ...Is that good enough ?
Seriously mate...you are making yourself look foolish.

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Dude.....put the pipe down.
Dude ...I don't smoke
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Lots of Max fans in this thread it seems. And generally everyone has been voting for a driver with either RB, Ferrari or Merc.

I'll say it again, for me, the best driver of the year was Sainz Jr. Showed lots of improvement not only in the car but his driving throughout the whole year. Had some incredible battles and slick racing, as well as generally outperforming his teammate, especially during the races. Throughout the season, he faced some pretty big challenges including having to come through the field a few times with great results.

The drivers in the top 3 teams are all great, Bottas showing his new found hunger and making strides to step up against Hamilton, Hamilton showing us why he's a champ yet again incredible to see such flawless driving for the most part, Vettel had a poor season in my opinion we'll see if he can keep up with Leclerc next year, Leclerc changing his driving style to be more aggressive after his incident with Max, Max with a couple of wins in the Redbull-Honda most people anticipated would take longer to get there, and Albon also stepping up and having some great races despite starting from the back a few times-he's only going to get better.

All great drivers, but my vote for overall Driver of the Year for the 2019 season still goes to Sainz Jr.
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Seriously mate...you are making yourself look foolish.
Foolish ? That's actually what your statement is .
The subject was not an individual . The subject was/is the FIA.

I'm not offended because you didn't get it .
FIA has to judge what is allowed or what is not allowed by yes or no . It has to be black or white .
The FIA has used in the last season for 2 teams a *GREY* zone .
Of course like usual , financial speculation is/was involved in the whole situation !
Mate ...Team X in the GREY-zone abused the situation because the FIA has to live as well
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Lots of Max fans in this thread it seems. And generally everyone has been voting for a driver with either RB, Ferrari or Merc.

I'll say it again, for me, the best driver of the year was Sainz Jr. Showed lots of improvement not only in the car but his driving throughout the whole year. Had some incredible battles and slick racing, as well as generally outperforming his teammate, especially during the races. Throughout the season, he faced some pretty big challenges including having to come through the field a few times with great results.

The drivers in the top 3 teams are all great, Bottas showing his new found hunger and making strides to step up against Hamilton, Hamilton showing us why he's a champ yet again incredible to see such flawless driving for the most part, Vettel had a poor season in my opinion we'll see if he can keep up with Leclerc next year, Leclerc changing his driving style to be more aggressive after his incident with Max, Max with a couple of wins in the Redbull-Honda most people anticipated would take longer to get there, and Albon also stepping up and having some great races despite starting from the back a few times-he's only going to get better.

All great drivers, but my vote for overall Driver of the Year for the 2019 season still goes to Sainz Jr.
Well...Charles crashed today during the 2020 tyre test ...
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Well...Charles crashed today during the 2020 tyre test ...
Gotta find the limit one way or another. The more data the better.
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Lots of Max fans in this thread it seems. And generally everyone has been voting for a driver with either RB, Ferrari or Merc.

I'll say it again, for me, the best driver of the year was Sainz Jr. Showed lots of improvement not only in the car but his driving throughout the whole year. Had some incredible battles and slick racing, as well as generally outperforming his teammate, especially during the races. Throughout the season, he faced some pretty big challenges including having to come through the field a few times with great results.

The drivers in the top 3 teams are all great, Bottas showing his new found hunger and making strides to step up against Hamilton, Hamilton showing us why he's a champ yet again incredible to see such flawless driving for the most part, Vettel had a poor season in my opinion we'll see if he can keep up with Leclerc next year, Leclerc changing his driving style to be more aggressive after his incident with Max, Max with a couple of wins in the Redbull-Honda most people anticipated would take longer to get there, and Albon also stepping up and having some great races despite starting from the back a few times-he's only going to get better.

All great drivers, but my vote for overall Driver of the Year for the 2019 season still goes to Sainz Jr.
Good post, thank you for your input.
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Gotta find the limit one way or another. The more data the better.
Yeah . And another car as well
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Negative . I saw Schumacher cheating in his Benetton with the first traction control used in F1 .
Yeah .He had great driver skills in the rain ,driver skills made by the forbidden traction control and software !
Cheating by innovation ...Is that good enough ?
And Schumacher only got the Benetton seat because the original driver Bertrand Gachot was put in Brixton jail for SIX months for using CS gas on a violent taxi driver that was attacking him in Hyde park. Totally ridiculous.

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